Post here if you're a paladin who job changed, and why

[Metalwrath]

This game isn't balanced around trash pulls.
If it was, DRK would be considered the best tank in the game, as its MP pool scales directly with how many hits it's taking.
Trash pulls aren't difficult content, and don't require detailed balancing to make all of the classes viable in them.

Raid bosses on the other hand, are difficult content, and having the 3 tanks perform very differently outside of raid bosses is perfectly fine as long as they can all compete in raid content.

Warrior craps over dark any day of the week in terms of Aoe.OoH your dark can gain back mana.great for you.Warrior puts out more aoe dps and regens much more hp then Dark in big groups.Also we don't need mana.And since Dark didn't even exist pre - Heavensward i don't see your argument .I was purely stating there was an issue with Paladin versus the only other tank before heavensward even released.

[Jhett_Magnum]

PLD main all through out ARR with zeta relic. went over to WAR because there were a high demand for them in Alexander savage on my server. I plan on doing the 3.1 relic on my PLD though.

[Lazka]

Basically Warrior was already overpowered before Heavensward and Paladin was falling off.

ah... this comment made me.. nice to see someone beat T1 with WAR in 2.0... no?

[MeeYow]

ah... this comment made me.. nice to see someone beat T1 with WAR in 2.0... no?

Between the fact I partied with a 2.0 WAR through clears of T1-T4 and started progressing T5 and the fact his comment was about 2.1 on, I fail to see your point.

[Lazka]

Between the fact I partied with a 2.0 WAR through clears of T1-T4 and started progressing T5 and the fact his comment was about 2.1 on, I fail to see your point.

no, what i mean is.. he say war overpowered PLD from pre heavensward and so so...
and this make me say.. if WAR is what he say... why i never see any WAR be a MT in T1 till T13? yes war its capable to MT, but still.. its bit a hard to keep up war to MT than PLD... so war is just good for AoE? (and this will make an argue which best in term of aoe with DRK later)
and in term of OT... some ppl make a point that PLD in sword oath is better than WAR in OT.. (i not sure bout this.. but some ppl in this forum say this)
so my question is.. what is WAR better than PLD in pre-heavensward? which why i argue what he post before..

[Metalwrath]

ah... this comment made me.. nice to see someone beat T1 with WAR in 2.0... no?

It was done many times.it was harder but Warrior was always designed to be a more complex tank.Sure one of one of the earliest t5 kills had a warrior in it.Warrior was viable in coil before the big buff.It was done several times.I doubt i'll ever be as good as some of those warriors that got through that back then.But you gotta remember that coil and Alex Savage wasn't designed for all players.Just the higher skilled ones.And there lies the issue.I'm sure all 3 tanks are completly viable for Savage.But a lot of us players aren't.

[Metalwrath]

no, what i mean is.. he say war overpowered PLD from pre heavensward and so so...
and this make me say.. if WAR is what he say... why i never see any WAR be a MT in T1 till T13? yes war its capable to MT, but still.. its bit a hard to keep up war to MT than PLD... so war is just good for AoE? (and this will make an argue which best in term of aoe with DRK later)
and in term of OT... some ppl make a point that PLD in sword oath is better than WAR in OT.. (i not sure bout this.. but some ppl in this forum say this)
so my question is.. what is WAR better than PLD in pre-heavensward? which why i argue what he post before..

Some of the coils were the exception.And i know this.but overall Warrior had the bigger advantage back then.Paladin was only wanted due to some coil mechanics.Other than that it was prefered to have warrior .

[Misha_Tameshigiri]

Warrior craps over dark any day of the week in terms of Aoe.OoH your dark can gain back mana.great for you.Warrior puts out more aoe dps and regens much more hp then Dark in big groups.Also we don't need mana.And since Dark didn't even exist pre - Heavensward i don't see your argument .I was purely stating there was an issue with Paladin versus the only other tank before heavensward even released.

Where are your numbers?
Your only decent AOE is locked behind wrath/abandon stacks which take 20 seconds to get back.
>inb4 infuriate
Wow, that time is now an average 17 seconds per 5 stacks. Amazing DPS boost.
DRK has 2 OGCD AOEs and 2 GCD AOEs, of which 3 cost mana. If a DRK has an unlimited MP pool, as he will during large trash pulls, it's very easy to out-AOE DPS any WAR.

[CoolCat]

I have been debating to myself if I should keep maining PLD or just go over to DRK. After reading through all these threads on PLD it has been bumming me out a bit. However gear has been a problem, PLD has the eso gear atm so I can't just jump ship to DRK yet without it affecting the stuff I do with my FC. Is PLD a simple job which might be boring? For me that is a yes, and really the reason I stuck with it, I like simple. With DRK there is some mirco managing with mp but when tanking I feel like it flows better somewhat compare to PLD. It had been mention before but PLD enmity issue I felt it, when DRKing I do not feel it at all, I have time to get mp back and even do some other combo. I am really on the fence on going to DRK, if it comes to it, I could just start getting the eso accessories that all tanks can wear, without affecting PLD gear too much, on the chance I keep PLD as main. I would feel better on this if the developer mention anything on this, whether they agree everything is working as intended or not.

[Lazka]

But you gotta remember that coil and Alex Savage wasn't designed for all players.Just the higher skilled ones.And there lies the issue.I'm sure all 3 tanks are completly viable for Savage.But a lot of us players aren't.

and this make me question more.. bcause alex savage or coil designed for ppl with high skill... and im sure.. they not complain about the job, but the mechanic in alex savage make some tank inferior...
so the valid answer for that is... change the current job? cause new raid is not properly designed for some tank? (aka heavy magic buster for compensate DRK being magic tank)
and if SE introduce some brand new mech in new raid.. then change the job again? really?

Some of the coils were the exception.And i know this.but overall Warrior had the bigger advantage back then.Paladin was only wanted due to some coil mechanics.Other than that it was prefered to have warrior .

i dont know if WAR so prefered in coil before... but in my server... never ever... WAR will be prefered with MT.. and ofc double WAR... just bcause they have advantage in term of AoE...
and all ppl just reserve 1 spot for PLD for sure...
nah.. dont think im too negative about WAR... i main WAR too in pre-HW..
and to say WAR OP in all term than PLD... is bit wrong... sure WAR good in AoE.. but just that? no have utility for party? lack of good mitigation?