Post here if you're a paladin who job changed, and why

[Viviza]

I figure it'd probably help square enix if we have a consolidated thread that showcases how many players are unhappy with the current state of Paladin in Heavensward and have chosen to abandon the job as a result, since they apparently think it's not a huge deal and have as such not even said a word about the current state of PLD.

This won't help SE even slightly. Worse, it will paint an unrealistic projection of what people actually care about. A thread on the forums is obviously going to be bandwagoned by people who agree with the premise of the post.

SE can pull the real numbers whenever they want. Which jobs are people using? Which jobs are clearing turns of Alex? These are what matters.

[Tadus]

I have said this before, PLD does not need a damage buff, or so I feel. He is a PLD I understand he is shield n sword so he must make less damage. SE would not want to match PLD's dps to Drk or War because that would be catastrophic. Instead, rebuild PLD, and fix many of its current CDs (some post say which ones), and send him to the fun department.

[nyttyn]

This won't help SE even slightly. Worse, it will paint an unrealistic projection of what people actually care about. A thread on the forums is obviously going to be bandwagoned by people who agree with the premise of the post.

SE can pull the real numbers whenever they want. Which jobs are people using? Which jobs are clearing turns of Alex? These are what matters.

Yoshi P has literally said they listen to complaints. http://i.imgur.com/XLvOVRy.jpg I mean, this is out of context, and I could go on for pages about why PLD is in a awful place right now but people better at typing and further into the raid scene than I have already elaborated immensely on those issues.

Yes, this thread will be bandwagoned, but that's the entire point - PLD is sufficiently bad that I feel the current state of dev radio silence (seeing as how they've commented on DRK, AST, and MNK but not PLD) to be worrisome, and the hope is to raise noise in an attempt to show the devs that the current state of PLD is inexcusable. and it's not like there's a shortage of people who're circlejerking that PLD is fine when it's really not. I'm complaining because they've yet to shown they've heard the worry, and I have reason to believe it's more than just a personal issue - both in the fact PLD is really abysmal right now, and with how many people who're in Alexander complaining about the job or how more and more groups are turning toward WAR/DRK.

Honestly I don't see why people who don't have PLD at level 60 keep insisting on posting in these threads and shouting people down.

[SwordswornFox]

Honestly I don't see why people who don't have PLD at level 60 keep insisting on posting in these threads and shouting people down.

So just because I'm not a 60 'din, I'm not valid?

[Sapphidia]

So just because I'm not a 60 'din, I'm not valid?

Going to respond directly to this because in this specific case it DOES matter.

Up to 60, Paladin is awesome. It's a fun class with a nice kit and good snappy responsive controls, it feels like a tank. It feels balanced compared to the other two tanks - less damage, more physical mitigation, a simpler class to play but lots of "oh crap" buttons. It's fun.

It's also fun when you ding 60, and when you start doing the basic content there. It's fun in Bismarck Ex, it's fun in Ravana Ex, it's fun in Alexander Normal.

Then you reach Alexander Savage and (at least until you overgear the encounter) the message is simple : Change to Warrior or DRK, or your raid group will have far less success. You are literally making at least 3 of the fights much, much harder for your raid group due to the absurd DPS requirements. Yes Paladins have now completed 2 of these 3 fights, but noone will say it's easier.

This is why paladins are whining. Currently I don't think a single Paladin is amongst the players who have cleared Alex 4 Savage. The world firsts of A1 and A3 savage were DRK/WAR. Paladins only started being able to complete these encounters once they were able to be overgeared via more and more 200/210 gear available.

Even then, even though Paladins can complete these encounters, Warrior and Dark Knight are BOTH a much better option for most raidgroups due to the fact that total raid DPS is the current stumbling block.

So no, although your opinions of a class ARE valid, you haven't reached or experienced the ONLY thing that Paladins are using as basis for their complaints - in the current meta on bleeding edge tough content, paladins are numerically worse than the other two classes, and a lot of paladins are feeling they have a really horrible choice : Job Change to Warrior, or hold back your group.

ASTs were changed in an emergency patch because they were numerically much much worse than other healers in ALL content. Paladins are fine in content where DPS doesnt matter so much, and where most attacks are physical : ie, most content before level 60. But for bleeding edge content, Paladins are a liability right now due to their poor threat making them do less DPS in an MT role than the other two tanks, and their unique utility spells being so niche that they don't really count towards the power of the class.

I'm sorry to say, but if you arent level 60 and arent in a group that's attempting Alexander Savage, your opinion ISNT as valid as Paladins that are, because most of those Paladins will agree with your opinions that the 1-59 experience is fun and fine.

[Seku]

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Actually, you can see the difference while leveling up if you can play DRK and WAR pretty well while leveling up. On both of them I clear things on average 5-8 minutes faster than I do with pld in DF group, due to being able to push out damage.

[SpookyGhost]

The world firsts of A1 and A3 savage were DRK/WAR.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWlViWbK4GU

Only A3S and A4S were tightly tuned enough to warrant DRK/WAR for early progression, and only because you needed to min/max as hard as possible to beat both of their enrage timers.

[Synestra]

It's also fun when you ding 60, and when you start doing the basic content there. It's fun in Bismarck Ex, it's fun in Ravana Ex, it's fun in Alexander Normal.

Yeah PLD is more than fine on trivial content but the issues can be seen on the content that matters most, 2 first floors are doable mainly because those are easy but when the real savage starts it lacks behind alot compared to 2 other tanks(DRK also needs some love because it gets carried by current meta).

[SwordswornFox]

Yeah PLD is more than fine on trivial content but the issues can be seen on the content that matters most, 2 first floors are doable mainly because those are easy but when the real savage starts it lacks behind alot compared to 2 other tanks(DRK also needs some love because it gets carried by current meta).

Why do people believe that Savage/Ex/raiding in general is the content that matters most? Shouldn't all content matter equally?

[Synestra]

Why do people believe that Savage/Ex/raiding in general is the content that matters most? Shouldn't all content matter equally?

End-game has always been the meter for classes to be balanced around(just like pvp is never balanced around 1vs1), if you balance classes only a lesser content in mind everything would be broken as hell when you start to do any serious content. When you balance everything end-game in mind it will automatically work in easier content aswell.