NIN's It's time to stand up

[Aiurily]

2) I won't argue that ninja's bring some utility, but other than trick attack, the rest are completely overrated. Goad is extremely situational now and used pretty much only in AoE situations for certain classes. Ironically ninja has just about the worst TP of any of the classes in the game. Shadewalker is situational as well, and frankly not even needed. Tanks did just fine before it existed. Granted one of its limited uses does include allowing a tank to start in dps stance. Yet with content being out geared this is completely irrelevant other than for epeen.

People will argue that ninja's are in a good spot because they were in world first clear groups. To you guys I would say that all three melee dps jobs are viable in Savage now. Only two can actually be the top dps on any of the fights though.

goad - lets ranged dps aoe first adds+boss in a1s, then possibly more depending on laser placement with the following adds. very obvious/heavy use in a2s. lets your other melee cleave handphase/adds in a3s. lets you sustain the MT in a4s, a very long fight with few breaks.

shadewalker - have you done a3s progression with a tank in dps stance vs a whm's aggro in that aoe heavy fight? nevermind that, but the fact that its very useful in progression, before you outgear content, is more than enough. just because the content may not need as much optimization as before because of gear doesn't make the skill invalid. it's still quite useful.

"top" dps vs contributed dps - if you want to epeen about being top dps purely by apparent numbers, change jobs. play ranged dps/caster in a1, smn in a2, mnk/drg in a3+a4. your contributed dps as ninja is still higher than monk, even if your single target is lower. dragoon, granted, is miles above both of them in contributed dps (2nd to mnk in single target now) but that's another subject.

if you want to argue about being competitive or having a dps mentality, don't be dumb and apply that to everyone. go be competitive about your own job's dps compared to other players playing that same job; that's much more logical and sound than complaining because the job you play isn't #1 st self dps. you'd have to start with actually clearing savage though.

[MrCookTM]

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This, a million times.

And if someone doesn't like the mindset of contributing high raid dps through utility while doing decent personal dps, Nin might just be the wrong job.