The Terrifying Attitude of Duty Finder

[Tayolynn]

There are various factors that may contribute to the terrible attitudes from my perspective and experience on Primal server:

1) I remember in the start of 2.0, I encountered more than a handful of douche-bags compared to playing around 2.2-2.5ish. Perhaps the "this game blows, I'm outta here and gracing another game with my godly presence" attitude had them leave as fast as they came, and have returned with the release of 3.0. They may skitter back to the darkness again when 3.1 or 3.2 comes around.

2) As others have mentioned, the veil of anonymity makes the bad players have an excuse to lay out anything they say with no consequence.

3) With the game being more complex, players are simmering up new play styles, and in turn find good ways of playing. They then attempt to turn their style to the "primary way that everyone MUST play," when there are many play styles to result in a clear instance successfully.

4) Relates to #3 where players force their standards upon others and with their loud-mouths, spread their standards even further to make their play style the norm.

5) People are different and some people are just plain rude, because some people talk rudely normally in their everyday life. A sociable game like FFXIV, in a way, can provide a playground for personality development.

6) Players are finding more and more ways to segregate themselves from one another in a game that requires cooperation from all parties, regardless of play style. E.G. casual/hardcore, cutscene/inn, homeowner/homeless, grinding/pacing, tank;heal/dpsing, newcomers/veterans, workers/freeloaders, etc.

7) As addressed by others, the game with it's usual lockouts, have players play the game as if it was a job, with the mentality of missing a day or week means more work to catch up to everyone else with more time on their hands.

8) See what happens when you assume. You make an Ass. of U. and Me.

9) The lines between newbie and troll are getting thinner and thinner. In my view more veterans are more inclined to assume a player that is performing poorly is a troll.

[Fendred]

This is why I stopped logging in. They put the most important part of progression in the most toxic of environments. Any currency that can be earned in dungeons should be acquirable from hunt marks.

[Elazu]

Any currency that can be earned in dungeons should be acquirable from hunt marks.

What a great idea when the hunting community is BY FAR the most toxic thing in this game.

[hagare]

This is why I stopped logging in. They put the most important part of progression in the most toxic of environments. Any currency that can be earned in dungeons should be acquirable from hunt marks.

No thanks.

[Amiaze]

1 Bad run = omg DF is bad

Seriously, i tank and DPS every single day and never got any kind of problems. Just be always polite, if your dps/heal are bad or doesn't have good items for do their job just leave.

In all honesty, I would say that one-third of my DF rounds have rude people, one-third have people that are completely silent, and one-third have people that actually have a conversation. And I'm in the duty finder almost every day, as any given role. For me, personally, this means that only one-third of my time in the duty finder is spent conversing with people the way we're encouraged to; the rest is spent either trying to hold my tongue or pretending that I'm playing a single-player game because of the silence.

Negative experiences always stick with us more than positive ones, true. But in this case, I really do think that the negative experiences simply outnumber the positive ones. I used to run with only one friend, and we normally ran together simply because we would encounter so many rude players. And we had not said or done anything before-hand -- these people just had very bad attitudes. The FC we formed was comprised completely of people that had a tendency to run into more rude players than polite ones.

You are right, though, being polite tends to fix a lot of things. People like to argue when they feel they have a point to prove. I've noticed that if you're just polite to them and don't respond with anger, then you're more likely to see a motion to abandon the duty than you are to witness the party fall apart.

[Etiken]

I agree that we likely got some of the WoW trolls with release of HW. My thought is that it will dwindle away and go back to norm. A lot of times when I witness similar situations, I hear about the jerk player getting told off by others later on.

The kind side of our community need to remember a few things when encountering situations as these.

#1 Don't just sit there and not say anything. Keeping your head down wont fix anything.
#2 You know the proper way to behave, don't stoop to their level.
#3 Counter the situation in your own way and teach the jerk how we do things around here.

Best we can do is to stick together as the wonderful community we know we have here. Teach others the best we can and call it a night.

[dragorian]

I have the same issue's while tanking of healing it doesn't matter tanking for ex. I'm in the library and lv60's que fully geared and make it hard for me to get hate I'll just leave either give it a try or asap I'll take the 30 min and I use the right gear and rotations I have one bar just for enmity and one for defensive so it's not me that's the issue also I spec my bonus points in the right place and nor to mention those special people that pull and attack other monsters take hate and I have to fight to get it back and loose hate on others because of this so I'll just leave

[AlphaFox]

Only issue with speaking up in DF is if your join a group and speak ill or even question someones actions, if your unlucky enough they came together your kinda SOL if they decide to remove you from the group, more so if its half way or near the end of the DF. I have been removed a few times for speaking up so now I just bite my tongue till the end then let em have it. Last thing I wanna do is say something and be forced to run the dungeon again just for my tome bonus or leveling exp bonus.

[Amberyl]

This is why I stopped logging in. They put the most important part of progression in the most toxic of environments. Any currency that can be earned in dungeons should be acquirable from hunt marks.

PvP has an infinitely politer, friendlier, less toxic community than hunts, from my experience. Funny really, because even now, (after however long it is in XIV,) PvP still has that stigma attached to it from other games.

If anything, I'd love to see eso and law attached to more PvP modes, rather than driving added friction over availability-limited marks.

[Aniforani]

As it stands right now there is a clash of play styles with no way of separating them. It doesn't matter how casual or hardcore you are, the subscription gives you access to the same game, and same rights. Once logged in, what you want to do and how you want to accomplish it is up to you. Sadly if their is no incentive for good behavior, or penalty for bad behavior then all that people have is their own agenda to concern themselves with. If commendations were a currency to purchase better gear I can guarantee that people would be apt to treat each other civilly. Well, civilly until they were fully geared.