For all who didnt make it in the hairstyle contest lets post ours!

[Jinrya-Geki]

After seeing a lot of the posted hairstyles that didn't make it, makes you think some of the finalists were picked for their simplicity.




Like My god this one is great, but it lost to participant number 9 (Quistis-hair)?

[KleeneOnigiri]

After seeing a lot of the posted hairstyles that didn't make it, makes you think some of the finalists were picked for their simplicity.




Like My god this one is great, but it lost to participant number 9 (Quistis-hair)?

Male one: background again
Female one: I think it's too long rule wise

[Tragoedia]

Male one: background again
Female one: I think it's too long rule wise

Dont you know that background? its from the character creation screen all right? SE disqualifying people from using SE background? hmm. if it iso, thats wrong you know ...

What about the rip offs in the finalist section huh? GG SE

[KleeneOnigiri]

Dont you know that background? its from the character creation screen all right? SE disqualifying people from using SE background? hmm. if it iso, thats wrong you know ...

What about the rip offs in the finalist section huh? GG SE

That's my guess, I don't know if that was the reason or not. It's a background. So when would you count something as a background? When not?
Also, in backgrounds you could also accidentally have something in there that the contest organizers didn't notice. And they already had enough to do just figuring out who stole images and who ripped off stuff.

Rip offs were taken out, as you can see that they removed no 12 in the female section.
If you can prove that the other things are rip offs (aka not only used as a reference but being too similar or even being traced), SE will probably remove those too. But you have to prove it.

Edit: Well, maybe it's not the background then.

But the "too long" is a rule for this competition. Doesn't matter if there are long hairs ingame already.

The Hairstyle hair length must be above the chest level (see templates below). Hairstyles that do not meet this requirement will not be accepted.

And if you look at the template, the hair would be outside of the picture.

Personally, I would have loved to see very long hair But rules are rules.

[Tragoedia]

Lets talk about it Kleene

Background rule is kinda of a charade. What is the purpose of the contest ? Hairstyles or backgrounds?

Unvalidating a good entry because of a background is reckless. If that happened.. it shouldnt.

Rips offs are still there. If you see Quistis hair in the female section, Roxas hair on the male section( guy in the photograph aka N' 5), FF 1 hairstyle on the male section ( aka N' 20 ), etc

The thing is a small difference makes people say its not a rip off. But a more detached approach will tell you they do seem a rip off.( too similar not to be)

They were smart enough to make you believe thats not a rip off cause the hair is short one inch or two.(eg quistis hair)

But deep down inside you now its not original, its not .

[KleeneOnigiri]

Lets talk about it Kleene

Sure

I already did an edit, so it's not the background D: It was also just my guess, I'm not working for SE :V

Still, because of legal reasons, submitting a hairstyle without a background would be better for the artist. Because then SE doesn't have to check the background for illegal things (like a person in it or symbols and so on)

That's why they have the background rule in it. It's not to sort out people because they don't like them or anything.

"Quistis" and co. aren't rip offs. They might not be really original, but they are not rip offs.

@Gyson:
No, there aren't any longer ones on the contest. They are shorter than that one we are talking about.
Tho there are some finalist that are at the limit at the hair-length.


A lot of you guys sound so sour. You can't expect to have your favorite hairstyle to win because everyone likes something else. And the developers reserve the right to choose what they seem fit into the game and what would also be possible to implement without a lot of problems.

So for future contests, if you want your submission in you should follow the rules and rule out any possibility that could be against your submission. That includes background and using the template.

[Tragoedia]

Sure

"Quistis" and co. aren't rip offs. They might not be really original, but they are not rip offs.

Whats a thing that emulates an original ? A copy if is its 100% equal to original.

A rip off if its not 100 percent. The art of deception has many ways.

We can be here, discussing semantics all day.

in the end, you see what you want to see.

I respect that.

[Gyson]

@Gyson:
No, there aren't any longer ones on the contest. They are shorter than that one we are talking about.
Tho there are some finalist that are at the limit at the hair-length.

There are several that are mid-chest in length on the females. #6, #9, #11, #16, and #21 are examples. And I guarantee you the entry you're referring to wasn't disqualified because it was "too long", especially when its design allows it to be easily cropped several inches shorter if need be. They already made it clear through the contest notice that designs may need to be altered to work in-game, and at worst we're talking about a small trim off the back length on this particular hairstyle.

However, that wouldn't be necessary. For the record, this hairstyle:


..is not longer than this hairstyle already currently in the game:

[Noxifer]

Background rule is kinda of a charade. What is the purpose of the contest ? Hairstyles or backgrounds?

Unvalidating a good entry because of a background is reckless. If that happened.. it shouldnt.

I think it was a decision SE made (to add that rule, I mean) to prevent the submission of general artwork/fanart in a hairstyle contest, and then people voting on a picture because they liked the whole of it instead of just the hairstyle. Was it the best way to prevent those things? Not necessarily? Did it prevent those things in the end? Not entirely, since people might still vote on an entry because they like the art style of the bust* and not necessarily the hairstyle in itself. But it did, IMO, help to make the hairstyle a bigger focus of the picture than it might have been if people had submitted entire characters with exquisite backdrops.

*) head-to-shoulders figure, of course. What did you think I meant? ;)

Rips offs are still there. If you see Quistis hair in the female section, Roxas hair on the male section( guy in the photograph aka N' 5), FF 1 hairstyle on the male section ( aka N' 20 ), etc

The thing is a small difference makes people say its not a rip off. But a more detached approach will tell you they do seem a rip off.( too similar not to be)

That's partly true (though I don't think male #5 is looking that much like Roxas, based on the Roxas wig in the preview pics they showed in the live letter. Sure, it's got the punky spikes, but the fringe alone makes it a very different style, and without knowing what the back looks... it's definitely in the "spiky hair" category, but meh). On the other hand, like I've said before (not necessarily in this thread), being able to tell it's drawing definite inspiration from a hairdo doesn't make it a rip off. Even Roxas' hairstyle ripped off previously published anime hairstyles that are 'clearly the same'. Even the first anime/manga displaying the "hime" hairstyle, to take an equally popular hairstyle as an example, ripped off an existing hairstyle if you draw the line that firmly.

*hides some of the post to minimize the "wall of text" to scroll past for people not interested*

The rules could definitely have been helped by some extra clarification, of course, but if you look at the rules similar to other ToS/contractual texts, you'll notice that Contestant and Hairstyle are capitalized in many places. In contracts/ToS, there's usually an initial paragraph informing the reader that "this is a contract regarding the use of [product/service name], henceforth named Product/Service, between [company name], henceforth named Company, and the user of said service/product, henceforth named User" etc (example terms). SE is doing a similar thing.

Create and submit your unique FINAL FANTASY XIV inspired hairstyle design (the “Hairstyle”) for a chance to have it featured and implemented in Patch 3.1 of the Game.

The Hairstyle must be an original work by the Contestant that is being publicised for the first time for this Contest.

Yes, they do say unique, but then in the next breath they say it should be inspired by something (FFXIV).
In the next place, when they use the term Hairstyle, they're not saying that the hairstyle must be original, but the artwork must be the artist's own work.

My interpretation of the rules (and your interpretations may vary, but only SE can say which is the correct interpretation) is that hairstyles inspired by existing ones, whether from media or IRL, is okay, as long as the artwork itself isn't copied off of someone else's work -- e.g. photoshopped hair from a model pasted onto the provided template, or blatantly stealing someone's deviant art submission (which also breaks the 'not publicized before this' rule, btw).

To be honest, the fact that they put someone in the final selection which shows a screenshot of their inspiration (warrior minion/sprite) in the submission kind of... argues my point, since at that point it's not really a question of "not looking it up" as the evidence of the inspiration is right there ^^;


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I want both of these in game now! (but particularly the female one) I cant believe they didnt get picked, background/length seem fine to me considering theres some which have multple drawings and rules were one front one back only.

Kind of, yes. Paraphrased from hidden quotes below: "You must submit a front view image. You're also allowed to submit a back view image in addition to that, but it's not necessary. If you submit a back view, you're allowed to attach up to two image files for that entry. You can only submit two entries, one male and one female, and the two entries must be in separate emails."

To be honest, I definitely don't mind those that put in more than back and front, since it gives both us and the dev team a clearer image of the hairstyle in question. As long as they stick to the size limitations (max two image files, images must be within a certain pixel size range) I personally don't have a problem with it.

(I have to say I'm more curious about the last point of the rules I've quoted below... "nickname, entry title and personal comment will appear along with finalist images"? Where are those? ;_; )

The Hairstyle must be an image from the front of the head (see templates below).
Contestants may also submit an image of the Hairstyle from the back of the head (see templates below) in addition to the front image; however, this is not mandatory.

Contestants submitting an image of the Hairstyle from the front and back of the head, may attach up to two (2) digital files to the email as part of their Entry.
Contestants may submit a maximum of two (2) Entries to the Contest - one for each Hairstyle category (i.e. Male and Female). Each Hairstyle category must be submitted in a separate email to be a valid Entry. Only one Entry per category will be accepted.
If the Contestant’s Entry is chosen among the Finalists (as defined below) to be posted on the FFXIV Official Forum during the Voting Period (as defined below), the above nickname, Entry title and personal comment will appear along with the image of the Hairstyle.

[Gyson]

That's my guess, I don't know if that was the reason or not. It's a background. So when would you count something as a background? When not?
Also, in backgrounds you could also accidentally have something in there that the contest organizers didn't notice. And they already had enough to do just figuring out who stole images and who ripped off stuff.

Rip offs were taken out, as you can see that they removed no 12 in the female section.
If you can prove that the other things are rip offs (aka not only used as a reference but being too similar or even being traced), SE will probably remove those too. But you have to prove it.

Edit: Well, maybe it's not the background then.

But the "too long" is a rule for this competition. Doesn't matter if there are long hairs ingame already.

And if you look at the template, the hair would be outside of the picture.

Personally, I would have loved to see very long hair But rules are rules.

It's not the background in the male hairstyle. In-game shots are allowed, and there are "finalists" with plenty of in-game clutter in the background (some with much worse noise than the one you're referring to).

It's also not the hair length on the female hairstyle, as there are several finalists with styles as long or longer.

We're simply voting on a selection that was preferred by some mystery selector(s). Clearly they have an aesthetic preference that doesn't include many of the styles in this thread, and in the end that's all that really counted. This was never really about what the community wanted the most. Let's not try to rationalize the ridiculousness of it all away.