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  1. #71
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    MeeYow's Avatar
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    Mee Yow
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    Ragnarok
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    Paladin Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Iagainsti View Post
    This is just my opinion, but I think all non-Warrior/Scholar/Summoner players are clueless; why waste so much valuable time leveling something other which is downright inferior to those 3 Jobs and their unstoppable prowess.


    #shotsfired!!!!! #realizeagagwhenyouseeone
    This was the most important choice in my entire life and I got it wrong :'(
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  2. #72
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    Leonus's Avatar
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    Kenrir Amnis
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    Sargatanas
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    Gunbreaker Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by konpachizaraki View Post
    but still DPS die in the middle of the match in dps check doesn't mean the party can't do the rest(especially if they have limit break)
    but if the tank died(especially in the fight when the boss splits or there are 2 boss
    it's like 90 % chance the party will wipe
    This depends on how tight the damage check is. In early progression content, if a DD dies, it is not an immediate whipe, but a slow agonizing trek to the enrage timer. Which, in most cases is worse (to me) than a quick wipe caused by the tank (or healer), as it inspires false hope. Lol

    Edit: it also depends (in which fight) which DD goes down and when (as well as what numbers they are pulling). A DD pulling 750 is not as crucial as the one pulling 1200. Within the party, there are (at times) a survival pecking order for which dps have priority to be kept alive.
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    Last edited by Leonus; 09-02-2015 at 11:20 PM.

  3. #73
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    RapBreon's Avatar
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    Rap Breon
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    Tonberry
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    Warrior Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Leonus View Post
    This depends on how tight the damage check is. In early progression content, if a DD dies, it is not an immediate whipe, but a slow agonizing trek to the enrage timer. Which, in most cases is worse (to me) than a quick wipe caused by the tank (or healer), as it inspires false hope. Lol

    Edit: it also depends (in which fight) which DD goes down and when (as well as what numbers they are pulling). A DD pulling 750 is not as crucial as the one pulling 1200. Within the party, there are (at times) a survival pecking order for which dps have priority to be kept alive.
    On early progression, after we learnt the mechanics and were trying to kill it; we would just wipe the moment anybody died. Pretty much wouldn't make the enrage and/or people just started engaging domino mode. Being said our first kill on A1 was with 3 DD's and a Tank dead lol.

    We started like 4 weeks late too (so we had Eso gear). I could only imagine how it would be for 1st week or 2.
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  4. #74
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    HoodRat's Avatar
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    Hood Rat
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    Brynhildr
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    Dark Knight Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by karateorangutang View Post
    Except no tank is out DPS'ing a competent DPS...

    So... yeah.
    Competent dps seem to be very rare though. At least, in my experience they are.
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  5. #75
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    karateorangutang's Avatar
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    Celest Ru'milan
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    Jenova
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by HoodRat View Post
    Competent dps seem to be very rare though. At least, in my experience they are.
    I don't think it's that rare, but its the same with all the roles. The really good DPS arent using DF at all. I know whenever I go to run something it's in a mostly premade group. Additionally, if you get one good dps and one lackluster dps ( as is the 2:1 ratio of DPS to TANK) then it makes it seem like neither of them is doing much if your focused on something else.
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  6. #76
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    Alahra's Avatar
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    Alahra Valkhir
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    Balmung
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    Reaper Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by karateorangutang View Post
    I don't think it's that rare, but its the same with all the roles. The really good DPS arent using DF at all. I know whenever I go to run something it's in a mostly premade group. Additionally, if you get one good dps and one lackluster dps ( as is the 2:1 ratio of DPS to TANK) then it makes it seem like neither of them is doing much if your focused on something else.
    Many DPS mains also probably have a tank or healer leveled to help with their queue times if they do make use of the DF regularly. I'm no world-class NIN, but I pull respectable numbers--I just tend to heal my Experts and the like most days, both for the faster queue time and because a run with a bad healer is more frustrating than a slow one because of DPS, on a personal level.
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  7. #77
    Player Iagainsti's Avatar
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    Iagainsti Kilamanjiro
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    Zalera
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    Marauder Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenicia View Post
    All hail the three great classes!

    Btw, you forgot the hashtag again! I'll remind you every time!
    Drives me nuts too! If I'm in the field and post from my phone, no sig; when I'm on the desktop in the lab, it adds my sig. I just have to start remembering to manually add it on the phone.
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  8. #78
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    Noira's Avatar
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    Alexa Nubara
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    Gilgamesh
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    Alchemist Lv 50
    I like to play each class optimally like regardless I don't like half assing things.

    So I do not have a problem with Tanks having good dps, like I mean just cause we're tanks doesn't mean we gotta be just turtles <.< I like being my Blastiose thank you.
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  9. #79
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    Drtoxicmedica's Avatar
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    Tatsu Masumi
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    Malboro
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    Dark Knight Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by karateorangutang View Post
    I don't think it's that rare, but its the same with all the roles. The really good DPS arent using DF at all. I know whenever I go to run something it's in a mostly premade group. Additionally, if you get one good dps and one lackluster dps ( as is the 2:1 ratio of DPS to TANK) then it makes it seem like neither of them is doing much if your focused on something else.
    This. When I run with friends/fc it tends to go substantially faster then df groups. Extreme primal kills are also a joke unlike when I try to pf them.
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  10. #80
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    Synestra's Avatar
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    Nel Synestra
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    Moogle
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    Gladiator Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Alahra View Post
    If they ever make changes such that it becomes more popular, tank DPS could become an issue, at which point they might take the same route for tanks that they did with healers: deactivating the DPS stances in PvP.
    Jeez so i need to hope pvp stays "dead" in here then? because atm all melees and ranged jobs are pretty much free kills in 1v1(sometimes 1v2 due Push Back being OP as hell against retards!)and only thing that can give fear of death is other tanks(and maybe SMN's if you dont have proper CD's up and ready).
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