DRG rant, is it really only just me? (Melee DPS balance).

[Ixsiehn]

On the AoE bit, i was saying that MNKs despite having inferior AoE back in ARR already had superior burst AoE with PB, though most monks dont use PB during AoE phases (thanks to fights not starting with AoE on the get go), they still have that option if PB came up during an AoE phase.

Even in the best of circumstances where that Mantra allows the healer(s) to get an extra stone (holy might get close) or two off; it's not even close to Battle Litany in terms of overall DPS gained.

I agree, mantra I repeatedly mentioned mantra as a DEFENSIVE cooldown, i will repeat again that i mentioned what I did in the other thread just to "put it out there", and am not going to propagate mantra as a DPS utility.

I can see this getting into a hair-splitting contest about the length of burst windows. Even if a MNK used tornado kick, their burst is defs not higher than a DRGs on average.

It may just be my small sample size observations on the numerous Bisex runs i did, where i parse spine only damage. A well played MNK will always out burst a well played DRG during that phase.

If your opening burst is coming at the 9th GCD I think you might be doing something wrong. Mine starts at my 5th and I can't double weave on my ping.

The opening burst starts on the 5th, but it only makes up for all the build up at around the 8th-9th, i mentioned 9th to be safe. That is the peak of DRG's burst. (DRG rotation is rigid, theres not much difference in how most DRGs play unless they're just playing it wrong)

Of course you were, you were the undisputed king of melee DPS in every area, minus sustained AoE.

king of ST DPS, not the king of utility (NIN holds it) or AoE (MNK holds it), and still competing for that "king" spot with MNKs during actual raids pre-buff anyway.

Well, I've played both MNK and DRG at 60. Doing Sav with DRG so more experienced with it in general. But I find the mechanics of Alexander fuck with my MNK far more than my DRG. But that could be mostly due to experience.

You can mitigate most of the "downtime" with proper use of stance switching, chakra charging, and if the downtime is long enough to drop GL3, weave tornado kick before the downtime. These are tools DRGs didnt get, and its something we manage by using less geirskoguls. But during the actual downtime, we got nothing to pad the DPS loss.

Adds switching definitely impacts DRG more than it impacts MNK no matter how you look at it (its always the case since ARR).

Regardless, the points you contested wasn't really the important one.

The important one was that DRGs are more desirable than MNKs regardless of their DPS difference - precisely because they difference is not huge relative to the utility provided by the DRG.

which IMHO, could be fixed by having another blunt DPS (MCH being blunt would have been perfect), and their ST DPS levels were more or less equal in the raid environment before the buff.