What Roles would you like for Samurai and Red Mage?

[Blood-Aki]

I figured Red Mage would be a melee DPS with the ability to enchant their rapier with magic which would be their stances. Similar to Monk or Huton for Ninja, and cast close range magic similar to the signs from the Witcher series. I think that would work best for FFXIV, but who knows? Doesn't make much sense to have a sword if you're not going to use it.

If they follow the niche of how RDM has worked in past games it will most certainly untilize a sword with spells, My guess is enchanted swords magical damaging melee attacks, etc. this is why i said it will make the most sense, as since it is a mage it will follow caster dps or meele caster dps. some people want it to be a tank, which makes very little sense as rdm has never "tanked" before. and they don't even wear heavy armor.

[ChazNatlo]

If they follow the niche of how RDM has worked in past games it will most certainly untilize a sword with spells, My guess is enchanted swords magical damaging melee attacks, etc. this is why i said it will make the most sense, as since it is a mage it will follow caster dps or meele caster dps. some people want it to be a tank, which makes very little sense as rdm has never "tanked" before. and they don't even wear heavy armor.

See, that's sortof what I don't want, on the basis that it eats into the Sword Mage/Mystic Knight((My personal all time favourite class))'s niche. Sword AND magic, yes. Swords imbued with Magic, no.

[dekal]

read mage = melee dps
samurai = pure healer

[Duelle]

I figured Red Mage would be a melee DPS with the ability to enchant their rapier with magic which would be their stances. Similar to Monk or Huton for Ninja, and cast close range magic similar to the signs from the Witcher series. I think that would work best for FFXIV, but who knows?

RDM...and The Witcher? Hmm....anyone know if Geralt ever wore a pimp hat?

[SendohJin]

some people want it to be a tank, which makes very little sense as rdm has never "tanked" before. and they don't even wear heavy armor.

in FF games only XI and XIV has real tanks, never tanked before is mostly irrelevant. there's also a first time for everything and FF games are about evolving the series not staying stagnant the entire time. NINs definitely didn't "tank" before XI and when players started doing that SE didn't nerf the hell out of them so they couldn't do it.

you don't need heavy armor to tank, FF games have this fancy thing we like to call magic.

[SendohJin]

See, that's sortof what I don't want, on the basis that it eats into the Sword Mage/Mystic Knight((My personal all time favourite class))'s niche. Sword AND magic, yes. Swords imbued with Magic, no.

most likely RDM will encompass all of those things like how NIN has some THF skills since 14 will probably never have THF and MCH has some Chemist like things and AST has some Time Mage and Gambler like things.

if they decide Mystic Knight isn't a thing they will boring the stuff they like from it and give it to a job that they will actually implement.

[Cinicus]

Sam needs to be a DPS that gets bonuses for being face to face with the mob. It should share the maiming gear. Rdm sounds cool as melee magick dps or as magick tank.

[Alexander_Dragonfang]

RDM...and The Witcher? Hmm....anyone know if Geralt ever wore a pimp hat?

Chances are.... Absolutely Yes.

[Kyonika]

Samurai is tough call: it could go either way.

If SE is modelling the Samurai after a kenjutsu style like "Tenshin Shoden Katori Shinto-ryu" (KSR for short) - along with heavy armor and the mitigating (almost marathon-length compared to other schools) kata like in the Omote no Tachi - then, traditionally, it would likely be Tank. However, if they are going to go with any of the Edo period styles like Mugai ryu, or others like any of the Itto-ryu schools, or even a Muromachi period style like Yagyu Shinkage-ryu, those would be best for DPS. Also, if the devs are fans of 三船敏郎さん (Toshiro Mifune), and the movies he has starred in (like Samurai Trilogy, Yojimbo, or Seven Samurai), it's a good bet they may go with the KSR modelling (Mifune along with his teacher and choreographer, Yoshio Sugino, in those films, were part of the Sugino KSR school), and - in that case - it may go Tank. But, the fast-pace action (like what is taught in KSR's Gogyo no Tachi) can lend itself well to DPS.

In the end, I guess it really just depends on what era they are going to model the Samurai after.

Still, my vote is for mDPS armed with either tachi or kodachi.

---

As for Red Mage, my vote is for Supporting DPS with off-heals armed with either a knife or a western fencing style sword.

[Noxifer]

I've passed the point where I don't care whether Samurai is a Tank or a DPS, but I'd like to point out that when people say "Share armour with Dragoon" they're typically talking about lower levels, where there are four basic armour types. Tank Armour, DPS Armour, Caster/Healer Armour, and Dragoon/Lancer Armour. Not the Top level Combat gear where the Tanks all share, the Casters both share, the healers all share, the Ranged DPS both share, and the Melee DPS all get their own.

Nope, I'm talking about those higher level gear where tanks/casters/healers/rangedDPS have their shared gearsets, but melee DPS as of yet do not have anyone to share with =) I don't see anything wrong with that changing, and them getting other jobs to share gear with.

There's nothing wrong with DPS sharing gearsets. I only commented on why specifically must DRG share their gearset as the person mentioned "We need more mail wearing dps". And I simply asked...why? Why specifically DRG? Why not MNK? or Nin? If Samurai get added as a dps, they will most certainly be sharing a dps gearset with some existing job.

Gearset sharing does become a problem when you mix roles though. Such as having a dps wearing heavy fending armor where now they compete against tanks (Who already have to compete against each other) for gear.

I can't speak for the others making the SAM/DRG connection, but with me it's because my image of Samurai is a medium-heavy to heavy armour wearing kind of class/job. Which makes sense with Dragoon armour, since it wouldn't work to have Samurai share tank gear if it's not a tank job. But like I also said in the post you quoted: If Samurai is made with the lighter type of armour that it seems Yoshida envisioned it in, then it makes more sense to pair up SAM/MNK =D
(And like I said in my original post, if they make Red Mage a magic melee DPS, and have the base stat be Dex, it would make sense to let RDM/NIN share gear.)