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    Quote Originally Posted by mp-please View Post


    > Most powerful single target healing spells since benefic and benefic II are exact copies of Cure I and Cure II
    WHM still has powerful single target healing spells that where not given to AST.
    Benediction and Tetragrammation.

    The fear that WHM is somehow not viable for farm content is odd to me. WHM can heal wonderfully for progression, and will be too OP for farm content? There will always be people new to a particular instance, people who make mistakes and otherwise put the party in a situation where the WHM would be able to pull everyone from the brink of death more efficiently and with more ease than any other healing class. This has not changed.

    And yes the cards can add very helpful effects in situations, the problem with using them in examples is the situations some of the AST card abilities get brought up in are far to situational to be realistic. Yes if someone is lucky they can pull a spear right when they need it to use a cool down. They are also just as likely to pull spire number five.

    All I see is WHM has no identity because it shares some spells with another class, WHM has 28 spells, 5 cross class, one with similiar or identical effects of the other two healers, (Bene, Cure, Physic), and four more they kinda sometimes share with AST (cure 2, asp bene, aspected Helios, helios) That gives them a grand total shared ten spell healing kit leaving them with 18 abilities unique to the WHM. With another 4 unique traits. How much more unique does a class need?
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    Quote Originally Posted by J-Dax View Post
    WHM still has powerful single target healing spells that where not given to AST.
    Benediction and Tetragrammaton.
    Astrologian doesn't have a comparable version to benediction, but essential dignity is.. essentially tetragrammaton. The main difference is that the potency is variable while tetra has a fixed 700.

    The fear that WHM is somehow not viable for farm content is odd to me. WHM can heal wonderfully for progression, and will be too OP for farm content? There will always be people new to a particular instance, people who make mistakes and otherwise put the party in a situation where the WHM would be able to pull everyone from the brink of death more efficiently and with more ease than any other healing class. This has not changed.
    Not everyone will stay on progression stages forever, nobody wants to hear a "now change classes because we're farming now". I think most tanks heard that, mainly paladin mains who were forced to go DRK/WAR due static preference for savage.

    And yes the cards can add very helpful effects in situations, the problem with using them in examples is the situations some of the AST card abilities get brought up in are far to situational to be realistic. Yes if someone is lucky they can pull a spear right when they need it to use a cool down. They are also just as likely to pull spire number five.
    I play astrologian as well but i main WHM, i know well the card RNG.

    All I see is WHM has no identity because it shares some spells with another class, WHM has 28 spells, 5 cross class, one with similiar or identical effects of the other two healers, (Bene, Cure, Physic), and four more they kinda sometimes share with AST (cure 2, asp bene, aspected Helios, helios) That gives them a grand total shared ten spell healing kit leaving them with 18 abilities unique to the WHM. With another 4 unique traits. How much more unique does a class need?
    The issue isn't the amount of skills, it's which skills are mostly used, and every single skill they copied are pretty much most of the most used which turn both jobs way to similar.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rewind View Post
    Divine Seal>Synastry.
    As i said, synastry potential is hard to calculate. Yes on most situations a single benefic II can do the job and the remain synastry bonus will fall into empty hands, but when burst healing is needed like on situations such as t11 where both tanks take massive amounts of damage, synastry will shine a lot more than what currently does.
    That's why i said while both skills aren't equal, i consider both on the same level. Synastry is just a lot more situational than divine seal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mp-please View Post
    Astrologian doesn't have a comparable version to benediction, but essential dignity is.. essentially tetragrammaton. The main difference is that the potency is variable while tetra has a fixed 700.
    And is therefore different.

    Not everyone will stay on progression stages forever, nobody wants to hear a "now change classes because we're farming now". I think most tanks heard that, mainly paladin mains who were forced to go DRK/WAR due static preference for savage.
    You may not stay progression forever but people are always going to enter an instance not knowing mechanics, they will always make mistakes. There will always be that one DPS standing in the red circle, always one tank who forgot what a tanking stance was. As long as these things exist, WHM will always be needed. When the s!!! hits the fan WHM healing power is always going to be welcome. Even when farming.


    The issue isn't the amount of skills, it's which skills are mostly used, and every single skill they copied are pretty much most of the most used which turn both jobs way to similar.
    The point is WHM still has significant differences in capabilities beyond what it has similar to other classes when taken as a whole. You can't curse about AST being able to pop a cure two and then dismiss using a benediction as unimportant. How many times have you used one of these unique spells outside of progression? How many times have you single handedly saved a party from wiping with them in DF? This is part of the discussion, part of the issue, and is important to WHM identity.
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    Last edited by J-Dax; 08-30-2015 at 02:35 PM.