What makes WHM special? Nothing anymore.

[GideonHighmourn]

The thing is those 'unique spells' are terrible. What is the point of a unique ability when they can't be used?

Cure III is weaker than Cure II but AoE? Well that AoE is so small it can't even reach the melee DPS when you use it on the tank.

Assize has everything tacked onto it, so much so that you can't use it viably outside of mana return.

If they make the two spells useful throughput then maybe some uniqueness would be there without having to change other stuff.

Maybe make Cure III a bounce heal, heal the target and the lowest HP friendly target within 20y, that could be useful. Remove the mana Regen component on Assize and stick it on something else, an instant AoE heal is cool and all but it can't be used like that.

Assize is perfectly fine, as is. It forces you to choose between an AoE heal and AoE DPS, and it CAN be used that way; however, YOU CHOOSE not to use it that way. I use it as an AoE heal and AoE DPS quite frequently and not simply as a 10% MP return on CD.

Cure III AoE size is fine; it's the same size as Gravity's AoE, for reference. Cure III is mostly useful during stack phases (which there are many of, especially in HW). It's a perfectly viable, unique skill to WHM.

Neither of the skills are "terrible" like you claim.

[SenzorialBoundries]

two minor changes and 5 new tools to help do what we did before even better.

Actually no heavensward changed the identity of sch and whm quite a bit, pre 3.0 there was a symbiotic relationship between sch and whm t13 for example (without echo) can you imagine how hard it was for a group to survive Gigaflare without supervirus and soil (implying u had dragon kick),or can you even imagine how hard was for a scholar to heal everyone to full from rage or gigaflare? sch was assigned to heal the offtank bcs the offtank took more dmg on add phases and sch was superior single target healer. In hw they took away a bit of WHM aoe healing power and gave it to scholars in form of ET-succ and indom , and took away some of the single target power of scholars on tanks(25% to 600 pot) and gave some to whm(tetra). Hw changed the relationship of sch-whm quite a bit its not that harmonios symbiosis anymore where one would perfectly complement the weakness of the other.

[Niroken]

To be blunt... Any WHM not using it for its heal or damage is a bad WHM. A3S is a good example here. If you use Assize where you would have used Medica, you not only get 1300ish MP back directly, you also save another 1300 MP from not having used that medica. 2600 MP thereabouts. Furthermore, it's oGCD, so you can drop cleric, pop Assize, and be back in cleric in less than a second.

Every time Assize misses in Cleric Stance I die a little inside.

Anyone here actually wonders how they are going to incorperate a forth healer? They basically wedged AST between WHM and SCH, is the forth one going to have RNG buffs, AoE Regens and Shields plus something new?

[Raso]

To be blunt... Any WHM not using it for its heal or damage is a bad WHM. A3S is a good example here. If you use Assize where you would have used Medica, you not only get 1300ish MP back directly, you also save another 1300 MP from not having used that medica. 2600 MP thereabouts. Furthermore, it's oGCD, so you can drop cleric, pop Assize, and be back in cleric in less than a second.

Assize only has a potency of 300, while it has its uses in say Alex 1 for the low damage AoE, any large hit you will be casting Medica II anyway or just did and the HoT is still ticking. Letting it sit there off cooldown while waiting for a small or medium hit is a waste and yeah a cleric hit is the way to go if you do that.

[Eudyptes]

Actually no heavensward changed the identity of sch and whm quite a bit

I can't/won't speak for sch cause I rarely played it in ARR, but whm's identity absolutely 100% did not change int he ARR/HW conversion. Do not confuse being a super special snowflake with identity. It's role/purpose is the same now as it was before. They didn't "take" AE healing power from whm, they just gave sch more to ease the stress on a whm.

[Risvertasashi]

Assize only has a potency of 300, while it has its uses in say Alex 1 for the low damage AoE, any large hit you will be casting Medica II anyway or just did and the HoT is still ticking. Letting it sit there off cooldown while waiting for a small or medium hit is a waste and yeah a cleric hit is the way to go if you do that.

Sure, there are times you don't need the raid healing... hence, 'or damage'. Stone III is only 210 potency, that's 300 and oGCD so it won't slow down the Stone III spam.

I used A3S as an example because there's a fight where a single medica II won't cut it (if you want people to live through the next hit anyways). Also, medica II is not a spell that should always be used, necessarily. Medica is cheaper if the damage is light enough and thus the HoT isn't necessary nor worth the huge MP expense. Assize can replace a medica very easily.

[SenzorialBoundries]

snip.

Assize is very strong dmg-wise 300 potency is no laughing matter, when you take into account that most skills do not go past 300 potency in dmg , only the "special" ones (fester, deathflare etc), probably the best skill WHM got in 3.0 was assize.

[Raso]

What the actual flying chocobo? Cure III is terrible?! It's situational but absolutely NOT terrible. It's very useful in certain situations. I've used it in raids many times. Assize not useful? What?! What?! Insta AoE heal, MP return and AoE damage is not useful?! Do you even raid my friend? In raids these 2 tools are very very useful.

Assize is TOO useful, it does too much and being able to exploit every aspect of that is rare. Mana Regen tends to be the most useful thus what you focus on using it for and not healing.

And I disagree on Cure III the range is so small even stacking up on stuff like Alex 1 tends to miss those who arnt standing on your target, mostly because melee never sit still I guess, still 10y would be better it would allow casting of it to hit melee dpsing whatever the tank is tanking.

[Tyla_Esmeraude]

Assize only has a potency of 300, while it has its uses in say Alex 1 for the low damage AoE, any large hit you will be casting Medica II anyway or just did and the HoT is still ticking. Letting it sit there off cooldown while waiting for a small or medium hit is a waste and yeah a cleric hit is the way to go if you do that.

>.> It has more uses than you think. Specially in raids. I use it on A1-A3 Savage for various purposes- MP and HP recovery, or pure damage+MP recovery-. It's very useful. Also, like I said before, Cure III is not terrible at all. Situational but very useful when those situations arise and there are quite plenty. In Savage you will always be looking to save the most MP possible so that the BRD has to do less ballads and more DPS. Also, Cure III proc helps with this.

Assize is TOO useful, it does too much and being able to exploit every aspect of that is rare.

Okay, and that is bad because? o.O

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

>.> It has more uses than you think. Specially in raids. I use it on A1-A3 Savage for various purposes- MP and HP recovery, or pure damage+MP recovery-. It's very useful. Also, like I said before, Cure III is not terrible at all. Situational but very useful when those situations arise and there are quite plenty. In Savage you will always be looking to save the most MP possible so that the BRD has to do less ballads and more DPS. Also, Cure III proc helps with this.

I made a list of raids where Cure III would have been useful. Raso has this tendency to ignore any posts I make that questions his arguments :P