My problems with AST buffs.

[winsock]

I love the AST hypocrisy in threads like these.

Remember, AST was viable even before the buffs. The problem was that AST buffs usually were unreliable and made little difference most of the time, so there werent any significant reasons to put up with a less potent healer. Then there was thread after thread of AST crying about how they couldn't bring to the table what other healers brought to the table.

Now AST gets a buff both to potency and cards. WHM is now in a position where it will still be viable, but doesn't have access to the utilities and support that other healers bring, and this is in addition to the loss of proshell and graniteskin. You'd think ASTs would be a little more understanding.

[Assirra]

I love the AST hypocrisy in threads like these.

Remember, AST was viable even before the buffs. The problem was that AST buffs usually were unreliable and made little difference most of the time, so there werent any significant reasons to put up with a less potent healer. Then there was thread after thread of AST crying about how they couldn't bring to the table what other healers brought to the table.

Now AST gets a buff both to potency and cards. WHM is now in a position where it will still be viable, but doesn't have access to the utilities and support that other healers bring, and this is in addition to the loss of proshell and graniteskin. You'd think ASTs would be a little more understanding.

Viable? Did you happen to read the astro in savage thread?
Constantly people switching over because they didn't want to be a bigger burden to the group.
That is not viable, that is forcing your whole group to play on savage hard mode or some nonsense.

[Noira]

Wait so because Astro got buffed all of sudden WHM should be buffed ? WTF for ?

You have the strongest burst heals in the game....>.> I mean damn.

[winsock]

Viable? Did you happen to read the astro in savage thread?
Constantly people switching over because they didn't want to be a bigger burden to the group.
That is not viable, that is forcing your whole group to play on savage hard mode or some nonsense.

You may need to lookup the definition of viable.

[AzureFlare]

That is exactley the problem "Our little whispering dawn" why? why give them rebranded stuff instead of something new?

They tried to make AST something that fits the meta. There is very little content right now, even less for people that are above 'ex primal/alexander' skill level but below 'savage' skill level, and a lot of people will attempt savage as a result. They have to come up with a job that isn't ostracized by other jobs, but also doesn't ostracize other jobs, but still feels unique enough and fun to play.

Now to compare it to SCH. You have mitigation in the form of shields, buffs and debuffs. You also have a fairy(pet) companion to heal with you. Imagine 4.0 comes out with a new healer. What are they supposed to get? You already have a pet, buffs, debuffs and shields. How are you not going to step in their 'special territory' even a little, or in WHM's, or in AST's? And what new abilities should AST, SCH and WHM get?

[Assirra]

You may need to lookup the definition of viable.

See, you can throw definition as much as you want.
The fact is words are getting used differently then their definition.
Sure it in the literal meaning of the word it is viable, as in barely survivable.
In the game however, like i said before, it is not unless you want to make it your group harder then it already is.

[Cynfael]

I like the idea of faster, weaker heals.

While I understand the gist of what you're saying, this part about faster, weaker heals would never fly. Having to cast more heals to get the same effect would automatically relegate AST to the healer ghetto. One of the goals of a healer is to meet the healing requirement with as few GCDs as possible and with as little MP as necessary so as to free up time and resources to DPS and buff.

I'm not saying that the across-the-board potency buff was by itself a necessary fix (these potencies were never the real issue), but I don't agree with the notion that AST should be some kind of "busy" healer, since that concept isn't competitive in the current and foreseeable meta.

[ckc22]

I agree the entire idea behind the class and its implementation is botched. The whole concept of hybrid healer was fail from the start.

They tried to make AST something that fits the meta. There is very little content right now, even less for people that are above 'ex primal/alexander' skill level but below 'savage' skill level, and a lot of people will attempt savage as a result. They have to come up with a job that isn't ostracized by other jobs, but also doesn't ostracize other jobs, but still feels unique enough and fun to play.

Now to compare it to SCH. You have mitigation in the form of shields, buffs and debuffs. You also have a fairy(pet) companion to heal with you. Imagine 4.0 comes out with a new healer. What are they supposed to get? You already have a pet, buffs, debuffs and shields. How are you not going to step in their 'special territory' even a little, or in WHM's, or in AST's? And what new abilities should AST, SCH and WHM get?

By being creative but apparently that's a lot to ask.

[Yumi_umi]

There are forum mods in here?
I thought with all the shit spewing nonsense, insults throwing left and right and thread after thread about the same bloody subject meant there are none.

Anyway on topic:
I would have loved nothing more then they waited to 3.1 and completely overhauled the ast from the ground up. Make the cards part of our healing, remove the rng and try to give us more of specialization.
However this was not too be and we the current buffs this will sadly never happen. We will forever be healer limited because of an akward buff system.

U'd be surprised when u get banned all of a sudden lol, so yes there r some ofc?

SE is done with player feedback and will probs consider more changes after more ppl clear A3s & A4s.

[SenzorialBoundries]

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That is a very flawed logic , to nerf/buff stuff based on player feedback , most players have no idea what they are talking about you can see here on the forums too , most astrologians dont even bother to make rational arguments and just attack posts personally and just want their fav class buffed as much as possible , there will always be bias with players. Changes should happen for serious balance issues , and balances issues themself happen when the devs did a poor job at creating something , ideally a class will not need any buffs or nerfs ever if its done right, ast is clearly a flawed concept. I can give you a good example of balancing based on legit flaws in the game, DotA/DotA2 , a buff nerf will never ever happen if a huge chunk of the playerbase cries at icefrog and co. and will only happen based arround tournaments.
AST needed buff yes, but those are a joke 0 creaitivity, they just took the path of less ressistance raising all numbers.