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  1. #81
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    Cynfael's Avatar
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    Sacrilege Moonshadow
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rin_Kuroi View Post
    What? Whm still has the best healing toolkit even with the ast buffs. Our dps also can't be matched even by sch. The only reason we don't put up sch dps numbers is because we're being amazing at healing. That doesn't sound like a ~bitch to me.
    To be fair, SCH will still beat WHM DPS except perhaps on PoM burst (and even then I'm not sure since Dissipation can be used for ++Energy Drain as a DPS opener). WHM DPS also isn't nearly as sustainable and is 100% subject to accuracy checks.

    The part about the healing toolkit I am in complete agreement with, though. No other class has the variety and power of heals with as few resource and cooldown restrictions as WHM.
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  2. #82
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    Jace Ossura
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    Goldsmith Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Gist View Post
    But it has less potency (and range!) than Medica II (which now has less potency than Aspected Helios).
    With or without that 'basically up whenever you need it' +30% healing potency cooldown?
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  3. #83
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    Tahlia Panipahr
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cynfael View Post
    To be fair, SCH will still beat WHM DPS except perhaps on PoM burst (and even then I'm not sure since Dissipation can be used for ++Energy Drain as a DPS opener). WHM DPS also isn't nearly as sustainable and is 100% subject to accuracy checks.

    The part about the healing toolkit I am in complete agreement with, though. No other class has the variety and power of heals with as few resource and cooldown restrictions as WHM.
    I will agree with the sustsinability point but accuracy hasn't been a problem for me yet. However, I can easily burst 1k dps with a pot + pom. Figuring out where I can dps in a fight has been key to getting bosses down. I find that very valuable.

    Edit: I still question the sustainabilty of our dps. I have yet to be secondary healer for anything. If I didn't have to heal my ass off for savage I could see our dps being pretty good overall too.
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    Last edited by Rin_Kuroi; 08-27-2015 at 03:06 AM.

  4. #84
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    Cynfael's Avatar
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    Sacrilege Moonshadow
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    Hyperion
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    Black Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Rin_Kuroi View Post
    I will agree with the sustsinability point but accuracy hasn't been a problem for me yet. However, I can easily burst 1k dps with a pot + pom. Figuring out where I can dps in a fight has been key to getting bosses down. I find that very valuable.

    Edit: I still question the sustainabilty of our dps. I have yet to be secondary healer for anything. If I didn't have to heal my ass off for savage I could see our dps being pretty good overall too.
    1k+ burst is also easily accomplished on SCH in the same time frame with a pot (that's not even getting to the point of using Dissipation for extra Energy Drains to weave in). All the healers are actually fairly close in DPS potential, but SCH wins due to slightly higher overall DPS, greater sustainability (you will run out of MP much faster on WHM and AST, especially if you are attempting to keep up heals while you DPS), and fewer accuracy checks.

    Having a hit check on EVERY spell does hurt WHMs in raid content; having so much as a 10% or 20% miss rate can significantly impact your numbers.
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  5. #85
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    Seraphus Highwynn
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    Yeah, but unlike SCH and AST, WHM has a guaranteed spot in every raid, probably always will, just due to their massive cure potency.
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  6. #86
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    Jerrard Coeurl
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    Coeurl
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    White Mage Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Noira View Post
    Whm only feels bland because you think WHm is supposed to be this press 1 to heal the party to full.
    This is what White Mages have done in literally every FF game ever, so yeah, that's what I think lol
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  7. #87
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    Alexa Nubara
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    Alchemist Lv 50
    Well maybe I'm just a dull boring person because I actually find whm really fun.
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  8. #88
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    Light Seeker
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    Behemoth
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    Lancer Lv 67
    Quote Originally Posted by Gist View Post
    This is what White Mages have done in literally every FF game ever, so yeah, that's what I think lol
    That uh...wouldn't work very well for an MMO.
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  9. #89
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    Seraphus Highwynn
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    WHM is your basic healer, no frills, just straight potency. Same for their DPS spells. Straight damage, very few frilly spells or dots. SCH's DPS is slightly higher but have more mechanics and rules and upkeep. A WHM's spells each are very potent and given instant damage, but SCH spells deal low damage but DoT and usually can't miss but you have to wait X amount of time for the damage. To this end, WHM is more of a "set it and forget it" whereas SCH is more of a preventative healer or HoT through damage mititgation rather than straight potency. AST is a mix of the two with the stances with a few other tricks.
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  10. #90
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    Jerrard Coeurl
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    Coeurl
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    White Mage Lv 60
    I mean, it feels ... not like the way they have always been for the past 20 years. I understand that some leeway needs to be allowed due to the difference between a standard JRPG and an MMO, but it still feels like I'm not the breath of life that keeps my team alive (outside of stacking for a Cure III, that is my favorite part about this job <3).
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