Astrologians were fine the way they were!

[Eudyptes]

Maybe but where i live 150+150 = 300

A.Bene is, at best, 2-3 potency more than Adlo on a non-crit. A.Helios is, at best, 15 more potency than succor on a non-crit. You're being very over dramatic.

[Lastelli]

Maybe but where i live 150+150 = 300

So what? You're wrong anyway. What's with that 130% bonus? That's only for aspected benefic.
Aspected helios is 300 potency, just like succor. If noct bonus is computed for aspected spells, it's 315 potency. Not a big deal. Also, Aspected helios has a longer cast time. What's your point? Succor<AH, is that it?

[SenzorialBoundries]

So what? You're wrong anyway. What's with that 130% bonus? That's only for aspected benefic.
Aspected helios is 300 potency, just like succor. If noct bonus is computed for aspected spells, it's 315 potency. Not a big deal. Also, Aspected helios has a longer cast time. What's your point? Succor<AH, is that it?

"You dont see a flaw in the system as long as it doesnt affect you" i'm not even trying anymore fact remains , they overbuffed a class to cater for the casual playerbase crying a moaning arround, its fine to "fix" something when its broken but not overtune it.

[Dervy]

Is it me, or is everyone forgetting that AST/SCH is, depending on your MND, 3% less overall healing than WHM/SCH, or WHM/AST, no matter what?

3% MND party buff, 1000*1.03 = 1030 mind. Exactly a 3%+ buff on your overall heals.

So, without a WHM in the party with an AST in Regen Mode:

AOE Heals:
Aspected Helios: 600 Potency
Medica II: 721 Potency

ST Regen:
Aspected Benefic: 1030
Regen: 1081.5

ST Heal:
Whatever it's called: 400
Cure: 412


So no matter whatever argument you make for AST being a better healer than a WHM (and replacing it as the "new meta"), its heals will always be less potent without a WHM in the group. You can argue about the 5% increased Haste, but that ain't buffing your HoTs, only your cast times and ST healing.

However, I can definitely see WHM/AST or WHM/SCH being the meta, depending on the turn you're doing.

A1S: WHM/AST
A2S: WHM/SCH
A3S: WHM/AST, simply because of Balance and Spear making DPS checks brainless now
A4S: I have no clue.

Speaking of DPS checks, 3% Mind is also 3% INT when you're in Clerics Stance.

[Cupcakesu]

"You dont see a flaw in the system as long as it doesnt affect you" i'm not even trying anymore fact remains , they overbuffed a class to cater for the casual playerbase crying a moaning arround, its fine to "fix" something when its broken but not overtune it.

WHMs and SCHs still do their jobs better, but AST can now be an option over the two without gimping your party. That's not overbuffing. That's balance.
The one thing AST does better than both SCH and WHM now is buff the party, and that's their niche to begin with.

Seems fine to me.

[technole]

Is it me, or is everyone forgetting that AST/SCH is, depending on your MND, 3% less overall healing than WHM/SCH, or WHM/AST, no matter what?

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So no matter whatever argument you make for AST being a better healer than a WHM (and we should start going for AST/SCH as the "new meta"), its heals will always be less potent without a WHM in the group.

Yeah, most numbers I've seen overlook the MND party bonus if AST is replacing WHM in full-party which is about ~28 MND. With the changes to the skill base potencies to equal level, they pretty much said they are sticking to their guns on the job party bonus.

[loreleidiangelo]

I assume that if either of your healers produce a 3% overheal (for both; or 6% for one, 0% for the other) that that MND bonus won't matter much in the course of an encounter.

Maths are hard, though, so maybe I'm wrong.

[NimueAstolat]

WHMs and SCHs still do their jobs better, but AST can now be an option over the two without gimping your party. That's not overbuffing. That's balance.
The one thing AST does better than both SCH and WHM now is buff the party, and that's their niche to begin with.

Seems fine to me.

"Seems fine to me."

How is doing more burst healing than a WHM "fine". It's broken.

[CottonCandyLand]

I don't get this screaming for a AST nerf, did you even play the class before the patch? Could you heal in Dungeons and Raids? Of course you could, should you? No! Because his HEALS where way to weak and the Cards where a joke.

Will he replace the other two classes? No, why? Because WHM will always heal more and has way more "oh shit" buttons. Will he replace the SCH? No, because SCH can deal more and longer dps and has the better mp-management. The only thing that changes is that he can be played by people who like the class and want to play it in raids and stuff.
He is now a Option, not a replacement. Just because the AST is on par with WHM and SCH does not mean that those two classes will become obsolete. If you dont play AST it does not even concern you, play your class, play it good and you wont be replaced and thats it.

P.S. I'm sorry if my english isn't perfect, it's not my first language.

[Dante_V]

The AST healing kit should be on par with the others and the other two healers most definitely bring stuff that the AST does not. If you are good at your class this will have zero effect on you realistically. The whole supposing things in a vacuum really holds no weight in reality. All of the healers are viable. People are literally crying because they can't make fun of AST anymore.