Spiritbonding Heavensward crafting accessories...

[Roth_Trailfinder]

I knew that gear that's been melded SB's fater, but I thought that if you convert gear that's been melded then it has a high chance to turn into elemental resist materia. Is that not true anymore?

In my experience, that never was true.

Crafting gear turns into crafting Materia.
Gathering gear turns into gathering Materia.
DoM gear turns into combat Materia, resist Materia, Spell Speed Materia.
DoW gear turns into combat Materia, resist Materia, Skill Speed Materia.

In that, Combat Materia are the red Materias ... Determination, Crit rate, Str/Int/Dex/etc. stats, and so on.

None of that is affected by what is melded to the gear.

[Gepeto]

The most efficient way to spiritbond now is to either craft ilvl 45-49 gear and go to Urths Font with an AoE job at 60. If the gear is HQ and 1 materia (2 materia for ilvl49), it will take roughly 30 mins to spiritbond a set of gear. If you want to stay in Heavensward, you can buy a set for Moghome and gather something worth your time to gather and sell or craft into something else to sell. Either way you want lose gil it will just depend on how much time you want to invest. You basically have to have a battleclass at 60 or a gathering class at 56 (fishing is too slow imo but you can still catch certian fish to sell).

[Aeyis]

The most efficient way to spiritbond now is to either craft ilvl 45-49 gear and go to Urths Font with an AoE job at 60.

The 45-49 gear only has a 10% chance for Tier IV materias tho. Compared to a 75%~ on the moghome items.

Have you read any of this post? I'm not after gathering materia, I'm after crafting materia. I have to GATHER in order to CRAFT to spiritbond for CRAFTING materia. And I have to GATHER ~1800 items (if I'm choosing the absolute easiest way to do it) in order to CRAFT something ~300 times with heavensward items.

No, its 600~700 vs 300. That is assuming the same level of melding.


If I AM only going after gathering materia, and I only have to gather ~700-900 items as you claim. . . well then! That's about TWICE as easy as it is to gather what I need to craft SB! And I'd hardly whine about that.[/quote]
No. Type of materia is dependant on the type of equipment. I would have taken you knew this, otherwise you wouldnt mention SBing via combat?

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The reasons are simple:

-moghome left side equipment tier IV drop chance: (atleast) 75%~
-level 49-54 tier IV drop chance: 10%~
-ilvl 55 level 50 tier IV drop chance: 25%~

You would have to spiritbond over 7 times faster to be able to gain as many tier IVs via ''Urths fount'' as you can via gathering.


I dont remember the exact number, but it takes around 600 to 700 gatherings (with 2x SB boost, via melding and similar) to spiritbond one set. You can get about 600 items per hour in HW. So it takes a bit over an hour (lets say 70 minutes) to obtain one fully bonded set.

In order to obtain the same net amount of tier IVs you would need to be able to meld one set in 10 minutes at Urths Found.
You would also need 7 sets of 45+ compared to 1 set of 55.



Also, materias obtained are entirely dependant on the item equiped. Crafting equipment still gives crafting materias, even if you bond them via combat, or gathering.



It takes 30 minutes to SB one 45 set at Urths found. It takes 2.5 times that long to SB one set in HW. With the base conversion rates at 10% vs 75% that means your looking at a 30% payout in Urths, compared to a 75% payout in HW.



Now personally Id like to see way cheaper (crafting) Tier IVs. As people for some reason sell them at the before HW prices. I believe part of the reason is because people keep saying ''Urths found go!'' when its actually a really poor way, and theres a much better/faster way to SB for Tier IV's in HW. One that can also net you a few hundred K's in the process.

I knew that gear that's been melded SB's fater, but I thought that if you convert gear that's been melded then it has a high chance to turn into elemental resist materia. Is that not true anymore?

Has never been the case, that was just baseless speculation.

[Geryth]

I finally trudged through and finished spiritbonding my set.

1000 cedar logs, 500 dark chestnut logs, and 1000 wind crystals later, and this is what I got:

Craftsman Cunning III (+3CP) x4
Craftsman Competence III (+5 craftsmanship) x3
Craftsman Cunning IV (+4 CP) x2
Craftsman Competence IV (+6 craftsmanship) x2

And as consolation I guess: 200 cedar lumber, 100 dark chestnut lumber. But overall pretty crappy, not even 50% rate of IV's.

From what I've read, each melded materia increases spiritbond gain by 20% so I'll definitely try that next time to see how that compares to spiritbonding ARR items through battle.

[Geryth]

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Your numbers are way off. I JUST confirmed that it takes 300 crafts + spiritbond potion to fully SB a set of HQ HW crafting gear levels 52-55. It does NOT take "just over an hour" to gather what I need. It takes more than double that, unless I decide to meld 2 materia to each piece, in which case I can reduce that amount by 40% (180 crafts instead of 300 crafts). That might actually get me to a more sustainable place. But going by Cedar Logs (Mythrite Nuggets + Mythrite Rivets would actually be even quicker way to go but I found out that I can't farm Ice Crystals through Aetherial Reduction without Fishing, so I'm stuck with Wind/Fire/Earth/Lighting items so cedar lumber is the best way for me to go). So if I meld two materias to all pieces of gear I'm SB'ing then I'll STILL need 900 cedar logs + 540 Wind Crystals. Still pretty far over your "just over an hour" calculation.

That's still 2 hours of farming (1.5 hours for getting logs, 30 minutes for getting crystals) vs. 30 minutes of fighting, so yes, it's still 4x faster to spiritbond in Urth's Gift. Maybe I'll get less IV's in that time (not far behind either), but I'll have MUCH less III's and II's which I'll also make use of.

Even reducing the farming amount I need by 40% considering melding materia it's still looking like Urth's Gift is the better way to go.

No. Type of materia is dependant on the type of equipment. I would have taken you knew this, otherwise you wouldnt mention SBing via combat?

I think you're just confused. I know full well that crafting gear gets me crafting materia, and that gathering gear gets me gathering materia. I want crafting materia, so I made crafting gear. I can't craft out of thin air. I need to gather materials to craft. In this case, I'm gathering cedar logs to craft cedar lumber to get the 300 crafts I needed to SB my crafting gear that I wanted turned into Crafting Materia. I crafted 100 dark chestnut lumber and 200 cedar lumber, so I had to first gather 1500 logs to achieve that. WAY higher than your 600-700 figure that I don't know why you're still throwing around. I first mentioned battling because in ARR you can (still) SB crafting and gathering gear through combat. I was very dissapointed to learn that they changed that for HW content.

[Rath]

Your numbers are way off. I JUST confirmed that it takes 300 crafts + spiritbond potion to fully SB a set of HQ HW crafting gear levels 52-55. It does NOT take "just over an hour" to gather what I need. It takes more than double that, unless I decide to meld 2 materia to each piece, in which case I can reduce that amount by 40% (180 crafts instead of 300 crafts).

You equip the crafting gear while you gather....you do not gather then equip and craft. Crafting gear will SB while you gather.

If you are actually gathering items you can use to craft then you can SB one set while gathering, then another set while you craft. Also, it takes 200 items to craft if you equip 2 meteor rings, FC buff, SB potion, and a meld.

[Geryth]

Crafting gear will SB while you gather.

That's the bombshell that I've completely missed. Wow, thank you, I figured since I couldn't combat to SB, I couldn't SB crafting gear while gathering either and that I was locked to craft SB only. Everything Aeyis has been saying makes much more sense now. Sorry!

[Aeyis]

Each melded materia increases SBing rate by 25%. (100+25+25, for 150%, in case of 2 materias) HQ adds another 25%.


Moghome left side equipment has a 75% chance on tier IV's and a 25% chance on tier III's. Altho thats a generous estimate. In my batches (of 6 items) I got either all Tier IV's or one tier III and 5 tier IV's. One time I got 2 tier III's and 4 tier IV's.
Compare that to a full set (13 items) of 45+, where you may or may not even see a single tier IV.


On your crafting numbers. 300 is accurate. HQ+SB potion provides more or less the same amount of bonus as 2 materia melding would. For all my math I assume 2x materia melds (or HQ+1x materia meld), as thats typically the most cost/time effective to use when SBing.


1500 logs would have SBed 2 sets of gear, which would have granted you about 10 tier IV's on average. 2~Less if you opted to use a gathering chest instead of crafting chest.
With those numbers in mind, do you understand why I consider ''Urths found being best for SBing'' to be misinformation?
Sbing in HW is far superior if you are after tier IV's.



Note that this rate of IV's only applies to moghome leftside, other HW crafting equipment has very poor rates for IV's for some reason.

[Sida]

Would it be possible that you equip your craft accessories to your gathering trip and see if they increase the spirit bond that way? To me it seems you only confirmed they won't increase through battle this far.. or can't they be equipped by gather class?

Edit: woops, seems I was a bit late with this answer..

[Geryth]

1500 logs would have SBed 2 sets of gear, which would have granted you about 10 tier IV's on average. 2~Less if you opted to use a gathering chest instead of crafting chest.
With those numbers in mind, do you understand why I consider ''Urths found being best for SBing'' to be misinformation?

Only after Rath explicitly mentioned that CRAFTING gear gains SB points while GATHERING in HW. Something I was completely oblivious of, and rightfully so I would say! In ARR we can SB anything simply through battle. When that didn't work for HW, what other conclusion would I make then to think that my crafting gear could only get SB'd through crafting - and similarly gathering gear SB'd only through gathering?

With that in mind, all of your points now make complete sense, and I apologize for the misunderstanding. I'll try again soon and this time I'll gather with my crafting gear on. Question though - since my gathering stats will be very poor and I'll probably miss a lot of swings, will I still gain SB on the nodes/swings that I don't get any items?