Why Removing Houses from inactive is NOT a solution.

[Naunet]

If people aren't here, they aren't here and deserve nothing. Screw the T-ball League of Life and Equality between the hardworkers vs lazy millennial crap. Why is this even a discussion.

Jeezus, you're a right pleasant person, aren't you. Good thing this is a video game and not real life. In a video game we can have things without reality kicking us in the face, as the goal is generally have fun.

Better design: Instance individual houses. Create neighborhoods voluntarily by connecting 2 or more individual houses together. People who care about neighbors get their community. People who want a more robust housing customization system can have that, because with individualized instances, there should be more server capacity for item limits and such.

[Syrehn]

Jeezus, you're a right pleasant person, aren't you. Good thing this is a video game and not real life. In a video game we can have things without reality kicking us in the face, as the goal is generally have fun.

Better design: Instance individual houses. Create neighborhoods voluntarily by connecting 2 or more individual houses together. People who care about neighbors get their community. People who want a more robust housing customization system can have that, because with individualized instances, there should be more server capacity for item limits and such.

The goal generally might be to have fun but... Dead neighbourhoods are not a community. Dead neighbourhoods are not fun.

Honestly it doesn't really matter what you want at this point (keep housing/instanced housing/etc.) because SE already stated they're going to be doing something about inactive properties and it's extremely unlikely they will change the current housing system this far into it.

[Neira]

I think it's foolish to claim that you can magically see dead houses everywhere. You can tell that the FC down the street is active, but you don't ever see anyone in the house next door? WOW! It must be a dead house, right? Well, or, it could be the fact that the ONE person who lives next door plays at different times than you compared to the DOZENS down the street in the FC. How are you people even deciding when something is dead?

Well, you look up the owner name, and they have no new achievements for months... um, maybe they just aren't actively working on achievements? Their gear or levels haven't changed... um, maybe they're socializing more than playing? Their garden doesn't have any plants... um, maybe they stopped gardening because they couldn't devote the time to it?

I'll say it again, that the number of houses that will become suddenly available is going to be small at first launch of this idea, and almost non-existent after it comes to fruition, because nobody wants to lose their investment. This is going to accomplish almost nothing but put more money in SE's pocket and make the naïve believers think they're trying to do something when their response to this situation is pitiful.

IT'S A MONEY-MAKING TACTIC, NOTHING MORE! They're telling home-owners "You can't take a break without paying us, or else we will take your house." And all of this is STILL just them pushing the blame onto the players so we don't focus on them and their horribly flawed system. And so many of you are taking the bait! It's ridiculous, and I can't believe that eviction and a loss of property(some property is NOT recoverable) is being met with cheers of joy.

Oh, and I forgot to add one, giant, resounding proclamation; DEAD COMMUNITIES ARE A RESULT OF HAVING PERSONAL HOUSING IN FC WARDS! Period. You can not have thirty people spread around a ward THAT large and expect the community to be "booming". The ONLY reason we all saw lively communities BEFORE personal housing was because it was FC ONLY HOUSING. Take off your silly rose-tinted glasses, think about who you usually see(almost always FC members, even now), remember when they were more lively(when it was mostly FCs only), and realize that your dreams of a community were crushed... BY SQUARE ENIX WHEN THEY FAILED TO IMPLEMENT PERSONAL HOUSING PROPERLY.

[Naunet]

Neira's got the right of it.

[JubjubTubs]

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You sound like someone that is going to snowball this current system with the intention of making it as terrible as possible so SE is then forced to do it your way. You will also pull numbers out of your ass without citing a statistical source of merit to justify your view... because that is somehow ethical and the 'right' approach. You will take a swing at someone by saying their are delusional as they wear rose-tinted glasses as you use a bunch of CAPS LOCK... all because their intention is to improve upon the current system, and cut away all the dead ends and useless trash of it.

Sorry Jubs is more social than you are. Sorry they haven't and aren't designing the housing system how you want them to do. Do you feel better now that someone said 'sorry' to you? It'll be ok. Rant some more and continue to make things up while you attack anyone trying to improve the current system... simply because the current system isn't the system you want it to be.

[JubjubTubs]

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Still smells like ass in here. Jubs going to add to the smell...

Jubs thinks that more than half the plots on every server is going to open up when they implement a system that removes those under ownership of inactive accounts. Where does Jubs get these numbers? Doesn't matter... this is an internet forum and to get things to go Jubs way, Jubs going to make up whatever Jubs want without backing it up in any way. And then Jubs going to attack people that think differently than Jubs does. Onto Phase Two....

[JubjubTubs]

You must be one of them millennial-hippies that don't like money. Evil nasty evil money meeeeh. Yeah, you are... a millennial-hippie that doesn't understand SE's only purpose is to make money being a business. And if they want to save money on simply not making more and more and more new wards to save on HD/shard space, and not doing a complete overall of the system, then oh well. Let the smart people try to help them make the current system better... while you sit in the corner and cry about... wait, what are you crying about again? People's fantasy houses that don't play the game anymore?! Huh...

And you're under some strange assumption that the entire base can A - wants their own house. B - can afford one. I suppose your response to this is an argument that centers around... let Jubs guess... involves change and overhaul of the current system. Yesh? Yesh.

They can add more wards after they clean up dead wards. Why should dead wards exist? To this... you have no legit answer. So you provide no solution to the current problem with the system. Are you a White Knight or selfish horder with fear of the future? Pick one.

[Yeldir]

Ah, Jubjub. I have not met you before, but I can tell already that we are brothers in spirit. I agree completely with your choleric outrage at the overwhelming selfishness one frequently sees the "haves" when they attempt to justify the current system, which is immensely unfair and wasteful. So frequently do I see "well, freeing up empties won't be enough, so don't free up empties plzzzz", in much more flowery language - yet anyone who rationally thinks about the situation quickly realizes that adding new wards without evicting inactives will only create so many more dead wards, and solve no problems.

It's either eviction or instances. Instances would destroy neighborhood social interaction, so eviction is wonderful to me.

[Neira]

Don't worry, the failed eviction is coming soon, the housing problem will still be a problem, SE will line their pockets with more of our money, and people without houses will still be whining. None of this actually effects me, I was just trying to do the right thing and promote some thought among the people who pay for the game, in the hopes of coming to a more practical solution and not one based on minimal or non-existent effort to maximize their profit. If some of you would rather wallow in your juvenile ignorance and attempt to attack your peer(by the way, we're actually on the same side of this conflict unless you're an employee of SE), then who am I to interfere?

To JugjugTubs specifically, I posted factual numbers that are quite real; you're welcome to count the houses, wards, forums, subdivisions, and servers sometime, and I gave SE's real claim to total subscribed accounts. If any of the truth or my opinions are not worth reading to you, then I simply pity you, because you obviously have the desire to take the time to reply without any intent of propagating knowledge or even discussing valid arguments. You seem quite content to spend your time simply spewing forth wasted hatred and insults. Good luck on your future ventures, I'm sure they will be as lively and educated as this short example of your wit has been.

[Nicobo]

You must be one of them millennial-hippies that don't like money. Evil nasty evil money meeeeh. Yeah, you are... a millennial-hippie that doesn't understand SE's only purpose is to make money being a business. ....

//quote
1:14:22
Q: Will there be any maintenance fees or other costs for housing, besides the cost of the land and house?

A: In older MMOs, such as Ultima Online, there was a house maintenance fee you had to pay weekly, but in FFXIV: ARR we decided against this system. Similarly, these older MMOs also had a system where your house would break down if you didn’t log in after a while in order to have you continue your subscription, but this is a thing of the past and we won't have any system like that.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...810-30-2013%29
//end quote

Apparently YoshiP didn't understand SE's only purpose is to make money being a business when he was making the Housing System ^^;