Does instant transportation effect game immersion?

[Azurymber]

cant fly to mordhona or fly to coerthas (right now) or fly to iron lake, can fly to limsa, and what do i miss? i miss a bit of Thanalan that i've seen 4 million times repeatative, but i still have to run from limsa to iron lake, or take choco.

Could fly to Grid and miss a bit of Thanalan and a bit of grid that i've seen countless times. Still have to run/chocobo from there to get to my final destination.

I like the idea of airships i just think they should make you wait like the ferry and they should implement events on them like an occasional garlean attack. I dont necessarily mean a 20 or 30 min wait. I mean like have an airship leave every 15 on the dot and go from dock to dock (ex. 1 min to emerald moss, 1min to coerthas, 2 more min to thanalan 1 more min to ul'dah) something like that. Just to make it seem like your actually taking a trip. Otherwise why even bother with airships -at all- Just make an npc that warps you to cities using their anima for a price.

And theres airship docks in coerthas, at all the rank 20 leves i believe, etc. So im assuming you will eventually be able to instaport there as well.

[MariyaShidou]

I'm sure there are plenty of other examples, but if you want immersion, I would strongly recommend playing this game called Real Life. It's pretty intense.

Oh I wouldn't recommend that game right now, the economy is kinda not working as intended and you can not contact the devs. Heck, people around the world can't agree on who the devs are/is.

[viion]

I like the idea of airships i just think they should make you wait like the ferry and they should implement events on them like an occasional garlean attack. I dont necessarily mean a 20 or 30 min wait. I mean like have an airship leave every 15 on the dot and go from dock to dock (ex. 1 min to emerald moss, 1min to coerthas, 2 more min to thanalan 1 more min to ul'dah) something like that. Just to make it seem like your actually taking a trip. Otherwise why even bother with airships -at all- Just make an npc that warps you to cities using their anima for a price.

And theres airship docks in coerthas, at all the rank 20 leves i believe, etc. So im assuming you will eventually be able to instaport there as well.

They are, just not now, this is just a temp solution. The instant port is not staying, it will be changed after including airship events.

I prefer instant though as I like to get around quicker, no one complained that flying to Sea was instant in XI and the airships in XI from nation to nation had no content, was pretty bleek, but what airship content did have story? Cop. It wasnt a travelling journey from 1 location to the next, it was part of the story, built in.

So anything is possible.

Dont like the instant, dont use it, run on a chocbo instead and wait until they finish the system off.

[Azurymber]

Oh I wouldn't recommend that game right now, the economy is kinda not working as intended and you can not contact the devs. Heck, people around the world can't agree on who the devs are/is.

ROFL win comment.

[Azurymber]

They are, just not now, this is just a temp solution. The instant port is not staying, it will be changed after including airship events.

I prefer instant though as I like to get around quicker, no one complained that flying to Sea was instant in XI and the airships in XI from nation to nation had no content, was pretty bleek, but what airship content did have story? Cop. It wasnt a travelling journey from 1 location to the next, it was part of the story, built in.

So anything is possible.

Dont like the instant, dont use it, run on a chocbo instead and wait until they finish the system off.

oh i fully realize that but aren't they making it instant forever? and just -giving- the option to ride it?
My problem isn't so much about me, its about the success of the game. I've noticed games like ffxi which are expansive and have time consuming travelling seem to hold players more simply because it feels more like your part of the world rather than playing a game. And then games that just let you port to every spot instantly feel a lot more like your just playing a game and have a series of instances, so people just come back when new raids are out and then poof again.

Think of how awesome the game could be if you were forced to ride airships and there were random garlean attacks.
Or if leviathan occasionally popped up as an NM on the boat from limsa to thanalan.

The kraken, pirates, etc were all really cool on the ferry and built memories. It also artificially made it seem like you were in a massive world. This porting system makes the game feel small. Like a porting system like TOAU had was cool where you port to an enclosed area and then have to run past agro mobs to wherever you want to get to. But when nothing agros, a porting system kinda defeats the purpose of a sprawling world.

But thats just my opinion i mean

[Aion]

well I think we kinda agree FF XVI lack on sense of journey/progression/immersion or whatever you called it. Maybe because I missed rpg series on PSX....

[Neptune]

I'm a little surprised you're bringing this up. For me immersion only happens initially with new content. The new becomes old. And when the new is old, it's time for fast travel. When the old becomes new, it's time for a stroll. Nothing stopping anyone from doing that.

[AreeyaJaidee]

OMG another frikin Airship cryfest...

Look:

1) OP made the comparison between FFXIs Teleporting and FFXIV Airship. Teleportation in FFXI is more akin to Anima usage in FFXIV first off.

2) OP stated that FFXI's Teleportation "sent you to out of the way places" which had "aggroing mobs". Have you traveled around FFXIV at all? Have you not seen the MANY airship ports throghout the game? Some are in low level spots and some are in high level spots surrounded by a lot of aggro. Only difference here is: Airship rides will be primarily for city to city travel at first implementation. YoshiP stated that later on they will open up availability to outside areas.

3) OK So Airship is insta now... but will be optionally interactive now. HERE IS WHY: SE is implementing the mechanics for the airship system. FOR ALL YOU KNOW they could be later on utilizing the instant airship to the various routes throghout the game and the interactice rides to cities. Why would this make sense? Think about it: The various airship hubs throghout FFXIV are all varied lengths from the cities. This would be a pain for players because the varied travel times could mean a rougher time planning how long it will take them to meet up with party members if they go to X location versus Y location.

SE has a plan.

[viion]

oh i fully realize that but aren't they making it instant forever? and just -giving- the option to ride it?
My problem isn't so much about me, its about the success of the game. I've noticed games like ffxi which are expansive and have time consuming travelling seem to hold players more simply because it feels more like your part of the world rather than playing a game. And then games that just let you port to every spot instantly feel a lot more like your just playing a game and have a series of instances, so people just come back when new raids are out and then poof again.

Think of how awesome the game could be if you were forced to ride airships and there were random garlean attacks.
Or if leviathan occasionally popped up as an NM on the boat from limsa to thanalan.

The kraken, pirates, etc were all really cool on the ferry and built memories. It also artificially made it seem like you were in a massive world. This porting system makes the game feel small. Like a porting system like TOAU had was cool where you port to an enclosed area and then have to run past agro mobs to wherever you want to get to. But when nothing agros, a porting system kinda defeats the purpose of a sprawling world.

But thats just my opinion i mean

Awesome? Yes.
Convient? No.

In XI the moment I need to ride airship I run up to dock, auto run forward and then AFK, make a cuppa, catch up on RL stuff or whatever because I've seen that flight about a thousand times. It was fun the first time, its boring there after. So the time is just a delay for me, like waiting for a Download.

And I also do this at the ferry, even though that has pirate attacks or even krakens jumping on board I either stay at bottom AFK or I run to the top and go up the steps to stay out of aggro range and dont participate because I've done that a thousand times over.

In the current ferry you spawn smack bang in the middle, on the top, so if any content was to arrise they'd have to move that spawn or you'd die if you went afk, then you'd be back where ever your home-point is and your e-rage would be quite high.

I wouldnt mind some event, it would be fun, but doing it constantly? No, sometimes I just want to get to my destination quickly, im not interested in fighting.

You get your happiness by in future having events and content on airships and you choose not to skip it, and I get mine where I can skip it because im not to bothered about that after I've done it several hundred times.

Everyone is happy.

I am not interested in delaying my time around the world when all it is, is copy/pasted crap that I've seen thousands of time lol so I favor quicker routes.

[Azurymber]

I'm a little surprised you're bringing this up. For me immersion only happens initially with new content. The new becomes old. And when the new is old, it's time for fast travel. When the old becomes new, it's time for a stroll. Nothing stopping anyone from doing that.

but people who need to do the final missions lets say are just payin ppl in town to port them and not getting to mor'dona themselves. or people who start in gridania just shout for a port to ul'dah.

Let me put in another way. FFXI made you work to get places. You couldnt just run around the entire world in a day. When you leveled up you felt a sense of accomplishment because now you could venture out further into the world.

FFXIV is like giving you a cheat code when you start the game that lets you /invincible and go anywhere and get ported wherever you want. When you level up theres no real sense of accomplishment because there isnt anything new to do really. Even the missions are like that. You can do every mission with a rank 1 job.

The airship part just further adds to that problem because it makes the world seem smaller. Why even call it an airship if all it is, is a paid anima port.....

And areeya im pretty sure they said they are making it instant and in the future they will let people CHOOSE if they want to take a ride. So it sounds like it will -always- be instant and their plan to appease the complainers is to let them pick if they wanna see a ride and how long it should be.