You'll always be told that you're a terrible player.

[CrimsonThunder]

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That's my point. People do get affected by these comments, I'm just trying to offer encouragement. There's so much poison on the forums I thought maybe something nice would be good.

[SecretCrowds]

It's never ok to be terrible. Especially in a situation where your actions affect others. Please don't think otherwise. Just seek to improve yourself.

Of course, there will always be rude people. However, there are also polite people around. And when someone tells you politely that you aren't contributing enough to the group and offers their advice, please don't be the rude one instead. At least acknowledge them politely and try your best to follow their advice, even if it's just for that run.

[Annah]

Idk, I rarely ever get called a terrible player. Like, ever.
I usually get told I do very well.
Perhaps you are actually a terrible player :0

You don't have to be a jerk to someone who is giving others inspiration to carry on.

And I'm sure you've screwed up in a dungeon before. I don't believe that "like evar" comment.

[AriaEnia]

I remember someone posted this:
"Anonymity in the internet makes people being jerk online. You can have a game where you only need to be skipping happily through a flower field but there's always someone who says that you're doing it wrong."

[Fevelle]

I think I'm an average player. I don't have much time to play, so in my previous account I only got to T5, but I could heal almost anything, with some errors of course, but the party could get trough. I'm ok with that. I never played to be the best, and if I'm doing my job good enough to not cause a wipe, I think it's ok.

I used to feel really bad when someone called me out on the party chat for some reason, sometimes even left the duty after. Now I think I don't care anymore, not as much as I did before. As long as no one dies because of me not doing my job, my motto is that "I think I did ok.gif"

[Fendred]

Yep!

In Research Facility, the mobs were dying relatively slow with me as NIN and the other DPS was BLM. That said, the WAR mentioned my damage being low, that I need to step it up, and he wanted me to use Death Blossom more instead of spamming Doton. The BLM left after the WAR said that. After the next pull, the AST laughed and said, "the kill rate is the same".

Notably, I am no longer a raider because I'd rather shy away from these insults.

I'm pretty much in the same boat. I've raided across MMORPGs for many years, but the raiding environment here is not that good. People are here to play a good Final Fantasy game moreso than a WoW style raiding game. It's not uncommon for me to encounter a DF group where the tank or healer has their party chat turned off. The social burden of raiding as well as the shift from the tactical combat of previous Final Fantasy titles to an action-oriented one are things the player base only ever partially adapted to, and uncomfortably so. I'm not saying everyone is that way. Each individual player should be assessed on an individual basis, but as an observation of the general populace anyone whose played long enough to reach end game can see the issue.

[Purrfectstorm]

This thread makes me think of Carol Dweck's fixed vs. growth mindset. Fixed mindset says people are good or bad and they stay that way. Growth mindset says you may be bad now but you can still get better.

A bad player can have a fixed mindset and not try to improve or a growth mindset and always try to do better.

A good player can have a fixed mindset, sit on their past accomplishments, and not try to improve or they can have a growth mindset and look for opportunities to get better.

In both cases, it's really the player who refuses to learn new things who is "bad," but it's not like that is life or death because this is a game, after all.

The people who hurl insults probably have a fixed mindset because they tend to say things like "You are bad" not things like "You are performing badly." So, don't worry about them; they won't get better because they already believe they're the best. Meanwhile, if you look for the takeaway in experiences, you will continue to grow and tomorrow you will be better than the ones who insult you today.

[Gunspec]

A terrbile player approaches!

[Purrfectstorm]

You don't have to be a jerk to someone who is giving others inspiration to carry on.

And I'm sure you've screwed up in a dungeon before. I don't believe that "like evar" comment.

I don't think it's being a jerk to leave open the possibility that the OP is a terrible player, at least at where they're at right now. It takes some humility and healthy introspection to grow and improve; you can't do that if you accept that you're already the best you can be.

That being said, there are other possibilities to account for the differences in those two players' experience. For example, maybe one player plays more with FC members, plays a different role, runs different types of duties, or is just luckier.

[BARDS_ARROW]

I ran one of the new later heavensward dungeons the other night as a BRD and things were going swell up until we got to the last boss. We wiped once because the tank DC’d at a bad time and we moved past that…then we wiped again and the healer started mouthing off about how the dragoon had stepped on a bomb. We wipe again and the dragoon starts getting bitchy about how things were going too slow blah blah blah. We wipe. Again – because the dragoon left me to the spawning adds and I just couldn’t take them all down.

This time we wait a second to go over the details of the fight – the healer and dragoon are still being standoffish and the tank and I just want to get out of there asap. We go in and the fight goes good until about ¾ of the way in. I use our LB to take out the row of adds (the dragoon wasn’t bothering) and the healer FREAKED out. Me and the tank stay silent and focused and we actually finish the fight! It didn’t stop there though :/ Before the healer and dragoon left though, they threw out parting insults like “you f*cking idiot noobs” to me and the tank.

I haven't done ex-roulette since.