New Heavensward Short Stories!

[Francel]

Is this before or after the lovemaking betwixt Francel and Haurchefant's ghost?

I'm interested.

[Ayuhra]

Real talk, though, lightning and ice make little sense together, being polar opposites and all. It's far more likely that if Ixion/Dark Ixion appears, it'll be as a lightning-attributed Eikon.

The ice/lightning theory stems from the current trend in Heavensward Primals which seem to be combinations of past Primal elemental themes, in order.

Ravana, Lord of the Hive = Fire and Earth (Ifrit and Titan)
Bismarck, Lord of the Mist = Wind and Water (Garuda and Leviathan)

following this logic the next one would be Ice and Lightning (Shiva and Ramuh).

It would be interesting if we conjured Ixion or Francel did and Ixion helped us, still having Haurchefant within it somewhere. But that would go against what we know about Primals (that they are mockeries of whatever they were originally supposed to represent). Of course if Haurchefant's spirit really is always with us, as the Count said, and we looked back on him with fondness bordering on desire in some sort of aetheric hotzone (half the places in Azys Lla) or dragon-down crystal hotzone (Tharl Oom Khash) maybe he could come back that way and function differently. Or maybe having the soul of someone is the distinction between a Primal and an Eikon, I don't know. The only Eikons so far are Odin and the Warring Triad, right? Is Phoenix one also I haven't done that much of Coil yet (alas)

[FJerome]

I'm interested.

Francel confirmed for Tam-Tara EX final boss.

[treuhavik]

The ice/lightning theory stems from the current trend in Heavensward Primals which seem to be combinations of past Primal elemental themes, in order.

Ravana, Lord of the Hive = Fire and Earth (Ifrit and Titan)
Bismarck, Lord of the Mist = Wind and Water (Garuda and Leviathan)

following this logic the next one would be Ice and Lightning (Shiva and Ramuh).

This logic is flawed, though, unfortunately. Ice and lightning are polar opposites on the elemental cycle, whereas the other examples create/are created by/transistion into eachother. Ice and lightning plainly don't interact with eachother in any way.

EDIT: 'Cause relevant.

Well, the game specifically states that both Bismark and Ravana are of two elements. However, as it was pointed out earlier today, there is a connection to a third element.

The only clue I've picked up so far, seeing as Bismark precedes Ravana, is that they follow the elemental creation wheel;

Water + Wind = Bismark + Lightning, Fire + Earth = Ravana + Ice




Further significance of their bonus elements, though, remains illusive.

EDIT: Of course, the developers could have just picked two sets of elements at random, made the primals of them and then tacked the remaining elements on to use them all up, making way for the shift in focus toward Eikons.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post3223579

[Ayuhra]

This logic is flawed, though, unfortunately. Ice and lightning are polar opposites on the elemental cycle, whereas the other examples create/are created by/transistion into eachother. Ice and lightning plainly don't interact with eachother in any way.

Then maybe Haurchixion can be Lightning and Pink....or......Whatever element Good King Moggle Mog is. Pretty sure it's Pink....

[Dalvy]

I'm interested.

Francel x Ascian-possessed Haurchefant body tbh

[Fenral]

This logic is flawed, though, unfortunately. Ice and lightning are polar opposites on the elemental cycle, whereas the other examples create/are created by/transistion into eachother. Ice and lightning plainly don't interact with eachother in any way.

That just makes those two all the better to serve as a recipe for a truly unstable new primal, doesn't it?

Then maybe Haurchixion can be Lightning and Pink....or......Whatever element Good King Moggle Mog is. Pretty sure it's Pink....

Pretty sure the element he represents is Kupo.

[Dalvy]

Ixion can be a non-elemental primal, like Bahamut and Odin.

[treuhavik]

Ixion can be a non-elemental primal, like Bahamut and Odin.

Ah, but are they truly unaspected...? Please look forward to it!

[Ayuhra]

Ixion can be a non-elemental primal, like Bahamut and Odin.

If we conjure him and he has Haurchefant in him instead of being Aetheric Blasphemy Made Horseform he could be unaspected and be an Eikon, if that's what an Eikon is.

Not that being unaspected makes one an Eikon, kupo.

Honestly even if Lightning and Ice don't traditionally mesh on the circle it would be thematically appropriate here. Frozen wilderness and all. Haurchefant has a lot to do with ice, not so much lightning. But Ixion has everything to do with lightning.

Would the fact that Haurchefant died to an aetheric blow factor into any of this? No? Mmkay.