Any reason to launch A4 Savage as an impossible raid?

[Zohar_Lahar]

Usually those who say Second Coil is too hard also complains that Normal mode is too easy. It's the middle man which complains the most.

I personally cannot see how Alexander normal is "too easy." For me, it was one of the more challenging things the first time around.

[DreameR7g]

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Yeah, for your personal viewpoint, it is. However, in terms of its design, its meant for the general population to farm out their ass, to gear up with. Alexander Savage is where its like Coil where its meant for a challenge to overcome. A long term goal to work towards.

[Priya]

I personally cannot see how Alexander normal is "too easy." For me, it was one of the more challenging things the first time around.

Different strokes (and experiences). Alex normal was faceroll easy for me, but I raided the middle to hardest content in WoW for years. I've seen LFR modes that were more demanding than Alex normal (though to be fair, not by much, and 3 people carrying the rest was very real.)

The sad truth of it is that when you have only two tiers of difficulty but the skill of the player base varies among three (high, middle, low), someone's camp is going to be alienated. I think no one expected it to be the middle group when you factor in the easy content that exists already such as expert roulette and 24mans later on.

Sure echo/tomes will eventually catch up those who can sleep through normal, but don't have the discipline for savage, but if their focus is raiding, they'll likely be quite bored in the meanwhile.

[Nadirah]

Different strokes (and experiences). Alex normal was faceroll easy for me, but I raided the middle to hardest content in WoW for years. I've seen LFR modes that were more demanding than Alex normal (though to be fair, not by much, and 3 people carrying the rest was very real.)

The fact that 3 people could carry a 25 man team in LFR but *can't* carry an 8 man team in Alex normal just means the challenge is different. Because it really wasn't really hard, WoW LFR. It wasn't a gear check, it was a mechanics check. No more.

And I've duo'd Durumu from 60% with a bear tank and my rsham.


Once people got gear, the idiot DPS taking an orb in A4 isn't getting one shot by lazers. The tank can take three, four in a row without *needing* heals between all of them. Etc.

TLR, FFXIV fights are midcore mechanics, high gear check.
WoW's fights are mechanics checks, gear is laughable.

That's why the raids are cleared within hours of launch.

[Priya]

The fact that 3 people could carry a 25 man team in LFR but *can't* carry an 8 man team in Alex normal just means the challenge is different. Because it really wasn't really hard, WoW LFR. It wasn't a gear check, it was a mechanics check. No more.

And I've duo'd Durumu from 60% with a bear tank and my rsham.


Once people got gear, the idiot DPS taking an orb in A4 isn't getting one shot by lazers. The tank can take three, four in a row without *needing* heals between all of them. Etc.

TLR, FFXIV fights are midcore mechanics, high gear check.
WoW's fights are mechanics checks, gear is laughable.

That's why the raids are cleared within hours of launch.

Durumu was actually the exact fight I was thinking of. Neither normal Alex nor WoW LFR are hard, but my point was that fights like Durumu and Ji-Kun had more to watch out for in LFR than normal Alex does even if you could basically duo LFR Durumu. I think you said it better/more clearly than I did.

[Nadirah]

Durumu was actually the exact fight I was thinking of. Neither normal Alex nor WoW LFR are hard, but my point was that fights like Durumu and Ji-Kun had more to watch out for in LFR than normal Alex does even if you could basically duo LFR Durumu. I think you said it better/more clearly than I did.

Durumu was a bitch if you had a crap computer, simply due to how the maze rendering worked.

They actually had a number of hotfixes due to that specific mechanic having rendering issues.