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  1. #11
    Player
    Valenth's Avatar
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    Ul'dah
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    Valenth Guiran
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    Lich
    Main Class
    Samurai Lv 80
    From the sound of it, you did fine and everything went well enough without wipes or super-stressful situations. But to give my opinion about your title-question: it's not just your responsibility, it's everybody's and because of that no one can be pleased 100% of the time.
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    "The world is such a funnier place upside down! ^_^"

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  2. #12
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    winsock's Avatar
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    Chaosgrimm Winsock
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    Adamantoise
    Main Class
    Conjurer Lv 60
    Yes, you are responsible... But so is everyone else in the party. I've had fun runs with new/struggling tanks, and not so fun runs b/c of immature dps. Did the new guy have fun?
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  3. #13
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    Viuiji's Avatar
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    V'iuji Za'xary
    World
    Ravana
    Main Class
    Black Mage Lv 90
    While I'm not a tank, It sounds like you ran it fine. Like others have said, you don't need to stop and smell the roses on the way.

    I only started playing in Feb this year and remember the tank, healer and other DPS helping me out in my first Sastasha run. Simple instructions and I asked questions if I wasn't sure. For a greenleaf Sastasha is the first dungeon you hit. I do recall how overwhelmingly nervous I wasthat first time.

    Even if you took an hour, they may have still felt rushed. If your greenleaf wasn't asking anything it sounds like they didn't feel rushed. I'd ask them directly for some feedback so you know for sure. You could even ask in a way like "I haven't run that dungeon in a while, any tips if I help someone out again?"

    I wonder why the healer, if they felt it was rushed, didn't say something during the run or check with the new guy how they were going..? It's not the tanks job to explain everything.
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  4. #14
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    SpecialKK's Avatar
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    Kulit Kulitin
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    Adamantoise
    Main Class
    Culinarian Lv 70
    Next time they should try their luck with a DF tank?
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  5. #15
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    Acyd's Avatar
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    Limsa
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    Character
    Acyd De'nacht
    World
    Jenova
    Main Class
    Marauder Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by SpecialKK View Post
    Next time they should try their luck with a DF tank?
    Yep. Let them see the real world. They will probably change their tune.
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    Acyd De'nacht

    Jenova

    Woe to the vanquished, mournful tear, glorious...Eternal King...Ah...Whom today we commemorate...I am the death of death.

  6. #16
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    Cooperal's Avatar
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    Pearl Lion
    World
    Odin
    Main Class
    Dark Knight Lv 60
    Seems reasonably fine. Nobody should be getting serious about anything in Sastasha. Not enough to make a whole thread about it. This dungeon, being the first, takes forgiveness to the extreme. And the following ones aren't much different, offering no "change what you're doing or die" mechanics until about Brayflox's Longstop, which takes multiple amount more time and EXP to access.

    The only thing I'd criticise would be failing to describe the mechanics of the last boss. You'd have to be a newbie to games at all, not just MMOs to fail to grasp something to the tone of "Watch the 4 corner grids. Activate them when they're bubbling up to stop more mobs". Hardly a time-consuming detail to impart and the rest is a non-issue to a DPS or Healer. Though you might have benefited from telling them to put Limit Break in their hotbar before entering, and then mentioning how to know when to use it.

    Though the first bit of criticism only exists because he didn't do something that good players make a habit of doing before they begin. Read about what they're walking into. DPS don't always have to be as concious of mechanics as tank, but when they do and don't know about it... hell hat no fury. On the otherhand, stopping at the boss-gate and saying "tell me what to" may be worse for everyone than just checking online, but it could still be worse than that.
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  7. #17
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    Nerael's Avatar
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    Nerael Valdir
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    Spriggan
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Cooperal View Post
    You'd have to be a newbie to games at all, not just MMOs to fail to grasp something to the tone of "Watch the 4 corner grids.
    I'll have to disagree with that statement. My GF started playing last month. Never played a single game in her life, decided to try FFXIV and decided she liked it.

    First Satasha run? I told her to watch the grates. I'll explain need-to-know mechanics and let her go in semi blind beyond that, please note i always run as Tank or Healer so I make sure the group never suffers from it.
    It also adds some extra excitement for her not knowing what is around the corner.
    She saw the bubbles and message, ran to it to check it out and clicked it immediately. Granted, she was too slow the first time. After that she was watching it like a hawk and caught it each time.
    Now if only she can learn how to dodge better ;-P

    Back ontopic:
    You did nothing wrong and you did everything you could have done. Us tanks are always in the front of the group therefor a lot of people perceive us as the "Leaders" of the party.

    Officially? We are not. Unofficially? Due to the stereotype we often get thrust into the role and a lot of us actually do pick up the role in a great manner. People are responsible for their own experiences. They could have used Party Finder, they can use Duty Finder, they can pull together friends and Free Company support. YOU ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE.

    Yes, we can be one of those people that help and make the experience better, we are not obligated to however.

    I myself always try to make the run as comfortable for everyone as possible. This is always dependent on the experience of everyone. Experienced group? I'll gather 2-3 groups depending on party composition and go nuts. Inexperienced group? Mark targets, explain tactics, give tips, go slow, go for easy pulls, limit amount of mobs, position in a more open area to leave more room for dodging and run more cooldowns to make people feel safe and secure.

    Conclusion:
    You are playing this game for your enjoyment. That means you should be enjoying the game. I for one enjoy helping others. It is by no means an obligation.

    This is spoken by a Tank/Healer whom is mentoring 3 new players currently and also has had a mentor get him up to snuff.
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    Last edited by Nerael; 08-20-2015 at 05:08 PM. Reason: Typo's and text limit

  8. #18
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    Rawker Stone
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    Excalibur
    Main Class
    Paladin Lv 90
    People make their own experience. No matter how shitty or how smooth a run is, it's all on the person in front of the keyboard.
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  9. #19
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    Character
    C'eleanor Greywolfe
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    Odin
    Main Class
    Dark Knight Lv 60
    You did above and beyond so i would say it's just the healer being an arse, let them have a duty finder tank next time so they can cry to them.
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  10. 08-20-2015 06:43 PM

  11. #20
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    CarnivalNights's Avatar
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    The desert one
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    Character
    Freis Lavande
    World
    Leviathan
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 80
    If I were you, I would leave that FC just because of how incredulous that healer is. That was a disgusting attitude from them thinking the sproutling is entitled to be taught instead of figuring things out themselves.

    No one should ever have to be forced to mentor/teach/instruct anyone. Being a tank doesn't mean leader, it just means you're pulling first and holding everything, no other reason. That healer is what's wrong with this game.

    Survival is for the strong.
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