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  1. #41
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    Krylo's Avatar
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    Khaela Alteri
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omskahn View Post
    You do all these favours for your "friends" but how often do they do any for you?
    Like, constantly?

    Do you understand what logistics are? Do you get that you wouldn't be able to fight primals without Cid figuring out the science, without Urianger figuring out where they are and what they're doing, without Minfilia organizing all of the city states behind you and getting you ins with all of them, without Alphinaud making in roads in Ishgardian diplomacy, without Haurchefaunt backing Aymeric, and Alphinaud on getting you in, without Tataru managing the accounts, wit--I'm not going to keep going.

    Wars aren't won or lost through soldiers, not even really good ones like the WoL. They're most often won and lost on logistics. And that's what the other Scions do. They gather and disseminate information, get you allies, get you money, get you equipment.

    Without the Scions you're just a random adventurer doing random dungeons. Maybe you have a name for yourself, but that's it.
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  2. #42
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    Katoma Mundara
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omskahn View Post
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    CHAINSAW! PART 1!

    "maybe he has better things to do" - Do you? Ignoring side quests, DO you got anything better to do at that point of the story? Break into Azys Lla? how? Aetheric Ram? how? Oh wait, our only hope is another scion! usually these 'quests' come at a complete downtime in the story wherein there's nothing happening or you need to collect info/etc and wait for it to come in.

    "How often do they do any for you?" - Quite a bit behind the scenes. And some NPCs make active notice of themselves doing 'chores' that benefit you. Collecting info on primals behind the scenes, enabling you retainers, Estinien jumped into a tree for fruit for a MSQ, Alphinaud and *Spoiler* help shut down Golems in Idyllshire. List goes on and on. Just cause you ignore it don't mean it's not there. Edit: Oh, and let's not forget: it was Alphanaud who fought the Rogue Golem, we got it clean and both were non-Aggressive types!
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  3. #43
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    Katoma Mundara
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    "Superman Analogy" - Superman don't live in a world wherein outside of Metropolis there's man eating monsters galore in endless volumes, some of which are demons hellbent on destroying reality. Political intrigue isn't fostered by beings wielding the power of Gods on a COMMON basis (the president of most comic universes is usually a NORMAL human unless plot calls for it... or at least until the super-beings take office). Dragons aren't bombarding a town constantly.

    And going on "Superman" is a huge outlier. Your proper example would be Spiderman or Batman, both of whom go out of the way to deal with normal crooks too.

    In a world wherein monsters exist in gusto, as well as superpowerful humanoids (IE: Gaius Van Balsar), you would preferably want your chores handled by a super being as, in that reality, it's safer with an adventurer who's hyper powered than yourself who's likely to get mugged by those Star Marmots outside of the town gate.
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  4. #44
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    And Krylo said it best, without the other Scions, you wouldn't really be that well equipped for MOST primal incidents, god forbid KNOW about most of them - took YEARS for the scions to find out about Ravana and Bismark and BARELY stumbled upon Shiva in time for her summoning! And most of all: Malestrom handled ALL the work for the Whorleater ship. EVERYTHING. Something I swore to god they were gonna make you do.

    You are so caught up in your hubris of wanting to feel like you're doing everything and the other chars do nothing you fail to realize just how much behind the scenes tape the Scions and other chars do for you. You wouldn't have half your rights without the adventurer's guild. You wouldn't have have the privaleges without the Scions. The Scions footed the knowledge that helped you safely stop the first 2 primals, and you relied on the help of Ishgard to reach the Airship to stop garuda.
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  5. 08-20-2015 07:16 PM
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    Thread getting petty

  6. #45
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    Kallera's Avatar
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    Etoile Kallera
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    Mateus
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    I wouldn't call it abuse, techinally they are friends, or at least coworkers. Perhaps its more like we overwork ourselves, and they need to invent chores to keep us busy/around for the next time something bad happens.

    (That said, im not the biggest fan of the Scions either...)

    A lot of legwork to get around things is handled by your compatriots. Do i have the time to look into magitek technobabble to get through said shield barring my way? No, but i know someone who does, and i just happen to be borrowing his airship to get there, which would likely normally cost an arm and a leg to do.

    This isn't a rare occurance for soldiers and fighters, for their vaunted ability to kill things, to be bogged down or even thwarted by more mundane concerns.

    Does this mean we aren't the chosen one? That our own value is a lie? No, we've certainly done enough, even with the help, to be considered legendary. Primal killing used to take whole armies, or technology many years away. Imagine G.I Joe, or Chuck Norris's Karate Kommandos actually being a thing in real life winning us the War on Terror and squashing terror cells before they phone in the apocalyse, and that's kinda what us and our connections are doing in Eorzea.

    And even outside of primal killing, our martial skills are damn impressive. Some seasons adventurers get their careers ended by fighting morbols, while we take cleaves from swords than can dice a horse, punches from rock monsters, the most skilled military combatants, magical explosions from the latest pieces of Allagan cookingware...you get the idea.

    The disconnect many make is that this makes us superman. I don't think it does. We appear to be, but --im not sure i can explain it that well, maybe I neither see it nor want to see it.

    Our characters are not invincible, truly fighting in these situations and can falter. The closest i can come up with is that batman villain with the ability to rewind and replay stuff till he gets it right, but i don't think our deaths are canon. Im honestly not sure what it truly makes all of our characters. Which, as long as Kallera as more person than puppet, im okay with.
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    Last edited by Kallera; 08-20-2015 at 10:14 PM.

  7. #46
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    Kuro Moon
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    Black Mage Lv 80
    you wanna know what abuse is? HW Moogle quests.
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  8. #47
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    Ryker Styles
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    Midgardsormr
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    Warrior Lv 90
    I agree most of the quests are insulting for a guy that is suppose to be the warrior of light. But the game isn't designed to reflect our personalities. Basically the warrior of light is portrayed like a reincarnated Jesus, All powerful yet washes peoples feet every chance he gets. Hydalyn like God of course, watching all the suffering going on but doing fk all about it save a blessing here and there.

    We play a role and a character in the story. As far as this character being or representing ourselves? It doesnt; All we did was create what it looked like.

    Its not like Fallout where if you didn't like someone you could just slit their throat. This is probabky due to the fact that there wouldn't be any npcs left in ff and a large part of the community are crazy and would be lighting whole towns on fire and doing God knows what.

    Wait this would make an awesome expansion pack though .
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  9. #48
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    Etoile Kallera
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    Mateus
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    Dark Knight Lv 60
    We do come up with their thoughts and actions, who they choose to associate with, and thats not even going into the roleplay aspects, which i think everyone does to at least some extent.

    No one follows the unending journey by the letter.
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  10. #49
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    Atemi'a Arecis
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    Leviathan
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bishop81 View Post
    Welcome to a WoW-style themepark MMO.

    Warrior of light or not, you are an errand boy who just does what the plot demands you do.
    I'm pretty sure this is present in every MMO, or is at least a Square Enix thing because FFXI made you does the exact same thing, except there you have to spend 40 minutes to complete a single fetch quest because transportation is non existent compared to XIV's.
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  11. #50
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    Eldon Pierce
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    Quote Originally Posted by BloodPact View Post
    I'm pretty sure this is present in every MMO, or is at least a Square Enix thing because FFXI made you does the exact same thing, except there you have to spend 40 minutes to complete a single fetch quest because transportation is non existent compared to XIV's.
    /sigh

    At times like this I wish WoW wasn't as successful as it was. It cast a long shadow on the genre as it somehow became gospel that WoW-style MMOs are the only kind of MMO.
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