Did Yoshi P messed up the relics Im trying to understand the meaning of this help me!

[Reynhart]

I dont undersand why to say ffxi is a demonic word, almost as bad as WoW, OP is not asking to be this game a FFXI clone, He only asks that his hard work will not fall through like everyone else will do.

"FFXI" is not a demonic word, but it's a sad excuse when you use it to prove your point even though the game did precisely what you don't like.

And again, his work DID not fall through. The reward was that he had the best weapon in the game for months. It's jut naive to hope that your stuff will stay the best forever when you got it before the first expansion.

[SkizzleofRagnarok]

Honestly though the realistic part is Yoshi P has the final saying in this so ofcourse it becomes direspectful towards me and many others. Some of you guys here truly think just because someone isnt here posting that we dont see stuff on my server and plenty of other servers when stuff are beeing argued? Alot of the community think that their voice wont make a difference if they come to the official forums and talk because of how the game continues to go people just gave up and accepted it. So excuse me for giving a F about wanting something to be left as it is when everything else is a damn handout. Its really not much to ask. Nerf everything just do it but leave the relics alone make something stick out more than everything else. Not just for a few months.
There are more non FFXI and 1.0 players in this game people that came during 2.0 pretty much people from WoW and every other MMORPG that wasnt FFXI or 1.0. These player are the majority so ofcourse they pay most of the bills. Only thing that really sucks is that we others who had double subscriptions and kept this game alive so Yoshi P could turn this into FFXIV A WoW Reborn. Getting a trampstamp on my neck and I only have to pay 11 months instead of 12 months per year as a legacy player isnt a way to repay me honestly. I would gladly pay full like everyone else if some stuff was kept as horizontal progression and some things remained untouched so we could enjoy the grind where gears didnt become useless after a a few months. We did not come from that type of envoirment and there is no need to disrespect the customer group who made sure you could keep this game alive. Anyone here saying that funds from FFXI didnt go to Yoshi Ps team you have to be really naive honestly. You think SE has some magical unlimited cash flow? If that was the case Yoshi P and SE wouldn't have pretty much begged the 1.0 and FFXI to have the double subscriptions to keep the game alive (check old threads its still there). With that beeing said ofcourse we are going to lose the battle in this arguement we are not the majority but how about we didnt pay the double subscriptions instead and just sticked to FFXI and told SE we don't want Yoshi P then what thought so. The Majority has everything nerfs from left to right continous catering to casuals wich sums up almost every damn content in this game. Why couldnt this relic be left alone? Its just one thing ONE thing how hard is it for half the white knights to understand this? Must you really just be so selfish wanting exactly everything when almost the whole game is a nerf handout every 6 months?

[Greyfrost]

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TLDR; Quit the game then. You said it yourself, YoshiP won't listen to you blabla, you hate how the system is blabla, you're being disrespected by the dev team.

Here are some tips, take a chill pill, quit the game.

For those saying that I'm not solving the problem blabla, take it to Yoshi and Skizzle, some people alr made logical arguments about Skiz' points pages ago, but this guy still doesn't wanna listen to any of them.

In my server I can't even get the relic some progress during my log in hours, well I could but it'd take weeks, months to get it to zeta. which is a shame, because I'd gladly do it even with current patch just for some glamour, and for a sense of "Ah, I've achieved it, I can be proud of myself."

I'm joining the relic train in 3.1 and if they do "nerf" it months later, then so be it.

[Ashkendor]

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*sigh* people have tried to explain it to you six ways from Sunday. This is what the devs want. If the game truly makes you that unhappy, you should probably consider just going back to FFXI and enjoying it while it lasts.

[Nadirah]

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[SkizzleofRagnarok]

Im trying to tell you that it does not have to go this path either. I understand that the dev want it this why but there is no need for everything to be like that. Make one thing feel unique genuine and rewarding for that matter too. It is a disrespect When you grind your ass off for something to be rare. It kills the Joy of something beeing unique valuable and pretty much says we who love this game so much that devote something to it should be rewarded too. Not just the mentality of I pay for a subscription so I must have everything you have just not be "first" at it. Yoshi P will most likely kill the game himself with these handouts eventually. Game will have a lifrspan of tops 5 years.

[SkizzleofRagnarok]

Im trying to tell you that it does not have to go this path either. I understand that the dev want it this why but there is no need for everything to be like that. Make one thing feel unique genuine and rewarding for that matter too. It is a disrespect When you grind your ass off for something to be rare. It kills the Joy of something beeing unique valuable and pretty much says we who love this game so much that devote something to it should be rewarded too. Not just the mentality of I pay for a subscription so I must have everything you have just not be "first" at it. Yoshi P will most likely kill the game himself with these handouts eventually. Game will have a lifrspan of tops 5 years.

[Lemuria]

Relic are specifically weapons that evolves, in case you can't compare a Curtana to an Excalibur Zeta. It's just that you don't like vertical evolution, so it's not the game for you, at least, yet.

They only 'evolve' up to level 135. If they really wanted them to maintain their appeal, they'd make them evolve to level 215 so they're up to par with the best in the game.

They became lvl99 because people were bitching exactly like now, and it was, again, when level cap reach its final peak after 5 expansion. Point is, we know nothing of how the game will "end", and you're already complaining about people not having to do all your hard work.

I fail to see how having a higher level cap changes the point I was making, but kudos for completely missing the point. The point was that when a patch was released which upgraded levels and weapons in FFXI, the relics leveled up with them. It doesn't matter what the end level for ARR is, nor do I really care, the fact remains that the current relics have not leveled with the release of Heavensward and according to Yoshi, never will.

Also, where did I complain about other people not having to do my hard work? In fact, I actually support the idea of making relics easier to obtain for the very reason that they're pretty worthless at the moment. Even in FFXI they nerfed the earlier stages of the relics to make them easier to obtain and they were worth a lot more there than our versions are. I have my relics, I like my relic, but I'm not stupid enough to think it's some rite of passage that everyone has to overcome the exact same trials as I did. Nerf it to the ground for all I care. More people with relics can only be a good thing, and I have a lot more jobs to earn them on!

If you actually bothered to read any of my post, you'd notice I support the idea of having relic mean something. If they meant something, it would mean the hard work you put into obtaining it would be justified. Only in that instance would I feel that they shouldn't be easy to obtain. You don't give the best weapons in the game away for free, after all, and having something truly powerful to aspire towards is a genuinely good addition.

It would make those who overcame those trials stand out from the crowd, both in performance and as a symbol of their efforts. The current relics, unfortunately, don't even remotely live up to this promise and, if we're being honest, never really have. So, give us that unique property to make them worth owning, or make them easy to obtain so that everyone can have the chance. Either way is fine with me, but I don't understand why everyone covets these zodiac weapons when they're basically just a fancy reskin.

[Velthice]

Im trying to tell you that it does not have to go this path either. I understand that the dev want it this why but there is no need for everything to be like that. Make one thing feel unique genuine and rewarding for that matter too. It is a disrespect When you grind your ass off for something to be rare. It kills the Joy of something beeing unique valuable and pretty much says we who love this game so much that devote something to it should be rewarded too. Not just the mentality of I pay for a subscription so I must have everything you have just not be "first" at it. Yoshi P will most likely kill the game himself with these handouts eventually. Game will have a lifrspan of tops 5 years.

[MageBlack]

I tried to engage him and find out where his information about 2.0 into 3.0 relic is coming from. The closest I can figure is its all conjecture at this point. I'm not against what he is asking for but I despise fallacious arguments and he is only building up straw men at this point to bolster his demands. The 14 hour 2 year anniversary special is coming up soon, Can you at least wait then to continue this conversation? We will hopefully get a huge slew of new information as well as a 3.1 release date, once you have something substantial to argue with, come back and we can look at this with a clear head instead.