Bard - they broke my job

[KaelDrakkal]

Bunny hopping Bards annoyed me.

Jump shots are used to fire off an ability while running away from damage or towards another target while maintaining forward momentum.

[Ferrasper]

Jump shots are used to fire off an ability while running away from damage or towards another target while maintaining forward momentum.

Not 24/7 though. That is not archery.

[Duelle]

I never moved that much in fights anyways other then to avoid aoes.

I started firing off as soon as the tank pulled with Shield Lob/Tomahawk while getting into position. DoT's don't generate much aggro on initial impact, so that usually gives the tank time to solidify their aggro. It's also a more efficient use of time in general since once you get into position you can start doing your damage rotation. I pretty much did the same leveling MCH.

As for the procs, they still happen, and you still use them when you do. You just can't do two in a row anymore. Big Woop. They replaced it with other skills to use.

Ignoring the fact the job was designed around the quick use of procs. It is a big deal. You can't even say there was a prep period for this change because the job was left intact 1-51 and then you were saddled with WM. That the BRD story tried to pull the same crap it pulled with the 2.0 story (AKA "if you want to do good DPS you should feel bad") with the whole "a bard has to be versatile" bit doesn't really help.

This was my dream idea for awhile for Bard, so I am happy they want this way.

If you mean cast times, I'll have to say "go play BLM". BRD was built a around different set of mechanics and has not been done any justice by the expansion. People might have gotten used to it, but bad design remains bad design.

Bunny hopping Bards annoyed me.

Jump shots are used to fire off an ability while running away from damage or towards another target while maintaining forward momentum.

This is a legit technique. You certainly had to master it if you played a hunter in WoW since it allowed kiting and use of DPS skills. XIV's ARC and BRD were no different.

Not 24/7 though. That is not archery.

Begs to differ. Call it fake or staged or whatever you want, but it exists.

[Xellos2099]

I just cleared A1s Last night as Bard and of course I am the lowest dps. It was in a semi pug but everyone is nice about Bard being the lowest but I am wondering how am I stacking up to other Bard. On oppressor my dps is around 788 while the rest of the dps are around 900 ish. The pt told me that their normal bard who they clear A1s with is around 800 dps. Is it normal for bard to be 100 less than your other dps?

[Ferrasper]

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Begs to differ. Call it fake or staged or whatever you want, but it exists.

I move into position first since you won't aggro the boss moving on the edge of the arena. The tank isn't even ready by then, so that argument depends more on your style.

I can agree maybe some more prep period might have worked. You still use the procs though. You just don't use two in a row anymore, so I still don't see the complaint for it. I did play BLM. What I wanted was a Bow Mage, and I got one.

And as for that Hack Lars Anderson, he is not even using a proper war bow for his techniques. That pull is 35 pounds while a War bow pull varied from 60 to 100 pounds, so please don't give me that guys crap when his arrows can't even penetrate skin that much.

[Geardagas]

I just cleared A1s Last night as Bard and of course I am the lowest dps. It was in a semi pug but everyone is nice about Bard being the lowest but I am wondering how am I stacking up to other Bard. On oppressor my dps is around 788 while the rest of the dps are around 900 ish. The pt told me that their normal bard who they clear A1s with is around 800 dps. Is it normal for bard to be 100 less than your other dps?

There's gonna be alot of ridiculously inflated numbers after this post lol, but my personal DPS for single target fights ranges between 970-1100 depending on the boss and crits. A good dragoon or monk can hit 1300+ in comparison. I'm at 188 with the eso bow.

[Duelle]

I move into position first since you won't aggro the boss moving on the edge of the arena. The tank isn't even ready by then, so that argument depends more on your style.

Shield Lob/Tomahawk generates enough enmity to hold the mob for a couple of hits. By the time that tank uses Savage Blade/Skull Sunder you'd be ready. The next logical thing for the tank to do is Rage of Halone or Butcher's Block, which have generous enmity multipliers. So the only way you're going to be ripping aggro from the tank by that point (assuming you used Straight Shot, Windbite and Venomous Bite while running into position) would be crazy crits or stacking cooldowns + crazy crits with Heavy Shot or Bloodletter. I've been on both ends of that equation (I main a tank and ARC/BRD was my "vacation from tanking" class), so at least based on my own experiences it does work.

I can agree maybe some more prep period might have worked. You still use the procs though. You just don't use two in a row anymore, so I still don't see the complaint for it. I did play BLM. What I wanted was a Bow Mage, and I got one.

A shoddily implemented bow mage. One ladden with clunkiness and a blanket mechanic it could have done without.

As I've said in the past, I'm not so much opposed to a change to BRD as much as I am adverse to how they implemented the change. If ARC had been reworked from the ground up to have cast times in their abilities and balanced to work as such, I wouldn't be here siding with the people who are not happy with WM. HW abilities would feel like natural growth to the job rather than something that was tacked on. The RNG combo finishers DRG has and dragon trance/aethertrail stacks on SMN are actual growth for those jobs. BRD did not get the same treatment.

And as for that Hack Lars Anderson, he is not even using a proper war bow for his techniques. That pull is 35 pounds while a War bow pull varied from 60 to 100 pounds, so please don't give me that guys crap when his arrows can't even penetrate skin that much.

I'm aware that he's using a short/recurve bow instead of a war bow. My point is that moving while shooting is a part of archery, and there's a real life analogue for it (not counting other examples like the guys that did it on horseback).

[Inferiae]

I just cleared A1s Last night as Bard and of course I am the lowest dps. It was in a semi pug but everyone is nice about Bard being the lowest but I am wondering how am I stacking up to other Bard. On oppressor my dps is around 788 while the rest of the dps are around 900 ish. The pt told me that their normal bard who they clear A1s with is around 800 dps. Is it normal for bard to be 100 less than your other dps?

This might answer your questions:
Honor DPS Leaderbord

[Ferrasper]

Shield Lob/Tomahawk generates enough enmity to hold the mob for a couple of hits. By the time that tank uses Savage Blade/Skull Sunder you'd be ready. The next logical thing for the tank to do is Rage of Halone or Butcher's Block, which have generous enmity multipliers. So the only way you're going to be ripping aggro from the tank by that point (assuming you used Straight Shot, Windbite and Venomous Bite while running into position) would be crazy crits or stacking cooldowns + crazy crits with Heavy Shot or Bloodletter. I've been on both ends of that equation (I main a tank and ARC/BRD was my "vacation from tanking" class), so at least based on my own experiences it does work.

I believe you. Doing that wasn't required though. You did it because you liked doing it.
The boss would still die around the same time with both ways done.

A shoddily implemented bow mage. One ladden with clunkiness and a blanket mechanic it could have done without.

As I've said in the past, I'm not so much opposed to a change to BRD as much as I am adverse to how they implemented the change. If ARC had been reworked from the ground up to have cast times in their abilities and balanced to work as such, I wouldn't be here siding with the people who are not happy with WM. HW abilities would feel like natural growth to the job rather than something that was tacked on. The RNG combo finishers DRG has and dragon trance/aethertrail stacks on SMN are actual growth for those jobs. BRD did not get the same treatment.

I do agree they could have done it better, but they didn't. It is also here to stay so bitching and whining about something that is not going to change isn't the solution though. The only thing you can do is offer some QoL improvements and get over it. I hate to sound harsh that way, but it's the truth of the matter.

I'm aware that he's using a short/recurve bow instead of a war bow. My point is that moving while shooting is a part of archery, and there's a real life analogue for it (not counting other examples like the guys that did it on horseback).

I still wouldn't consider that to be part of it(horseback aside) since the point of archery is to kill things at a distance with an arrow powerful enough to penetrate steel plate( and hunting) which he isn't dong. If he did it with a 60 pound and up bow, I would give him more credit, but he isn't.

[Aiselia]

Do the BRD and MCH find their power in supernatural or occult sources ? No.

They have infinite ammunition, can put their hand on their quiver for a second and a half to make it hit harder, can sing songs that make things get hit harder by magic or refresh their party members or shield them from things like poison, can shoot an arrow which makes things take "wind damage" somehow, can launch like a hundred arrows with one shot while flipping upside down, and then twirl their hands in the air to repoison and re-... wind damage their target.

That sounds pretty supernatural to me.

he is not even using a proper war bow for his techniques.

And bards use giant harps.

please don't give me that guys crap when his arrows can't even penetrate skin that much.

You'd be in a better position to win the argument about moving while shooting arrows if it weren't for the fact that we still move when shooting arrows. Whether we move sideways or not, we still flip upside down to Wide Volley and still spin around for Windbite and still (well, we didn't before because we didn't have it) leap into the air, fire Empy Arrow, and do a spin in midair.

So, I mean, moving left and right might have gone away, but bards still practice ballet while shooting.