Housing abandoned plots, this is needed SE!!! Thank you!

[Illya]

Squenix wants lapsed players to return someday. Taking away the houses they saved millions for and then left behind when they went on hiatus until the next expansion ("The WoW Cycle") is the best way to make them stay away forever.

This is a fantastically stupid idea and I hope Squenix aren't stupid enough to start taking away people's houses because they unsubbed for a few months.

[Syrehn]

Squenix wants lapsed players to return someday. Taking away the houses they saved millions for and then left behind when they went on hiatus until the next expansion ("The WoW Cycle") is the best way to make them stay away forever.

This is a fantastically stupid idea and I hope Squenix aren't stupid enough to start taking away people's houses because they unsubbed for a few months.

They've already stated that they're working on a way to clear out inactive houses. We're just not sure 100% if it's a decay timer or not. Make no mistake something is already coming to free up inactive plots on the existing wards.

[Jynx]

SE has painted themselves into a corner and are caught not wanting to take away from inactive player. But to also provide for active subs. I feel no pity as they brought this on themselves.

[Niwashi]

I guess my question is... if you already have one personal house on your main character (garden, decorate etc.) why do you need to buy up a house per alt? All this does is take away from others being able to access a limited resource on their main character.

If you're playing multiple characters, then your second or third character, etc. has just as much need of a place to garden or stable their chocobo and so on as your first character does. By the current rules they cannot do any of that at your first character's house.

I think it should be changed so that all your alts can share the house, and all have full access to using it. If that were the case, then a rule that you could only have one would work. But so far, SE has refused to allow any association between characters on the same account. We can't even friend our own alts or send mail to them, let alone share a house.

[Syrehn]

If you're playing multiple characters, then your second or third character, etc. has just as much need of a place to garden or stable their chocobo and so on as your first character does. By the current rules they cannot do any of that at your first character's house.

I think it should be changed so that all your alts can share the house, and all have full access to using it. If that were the case, then a rule that you could only have one would work. But so far, SE has refused to allow any association between characters on the same account. We can't even friend our own alts or send mail to them, let alone share a house.

IMO there is no need to have more gardens via more houses if you already have access to one on your main character a character on your server. You're already reaping benefits of the garden on one character, spreading it to alt's additional characters for personal gain is just individual player greed and takes away from a limited resource (a.k.a housing) for other players on their main characters with a single character attempting to get housing. This is why I believe a 1 house per character per server rule would be a good addition.

In terms of a place to stable an alt chocobo the chocobo for additional characters... I'm not trying to come off a being against alt additional characters but I don't feel this should warrant the consumption of a limited resource (a.k.a housing) on an non primary character additional character on the same server.

It would be ideal, like you said, to have 1 personal house shared between alt multiple characters (I fully support this) but let's face it the game isn't super multi-character friendly as it is. You can do anything you want on your main a single character with the exception of running extra raid lockouts and for aesthetics.

A good alternative to the chocobo issue would be if SE put a community stable at Bentbranch to allow for leveling/colouring of chocobo's for players (including alt's player's with multiple characters) with no personal/fc house.

Edited: For the need to eliminate the difference between main/alt's since it seems to be causing a ruckus.

How are gardens a limited resource again? Your opinion makes no sense outside of just trying to arbitrarily restrict players for no reason. He is talking about all of your characters (alts) sharing houses. This is the perfect solution.

Also you do realize that what he is suggesting would essentially drop the demand of an alt to have it's own house while what you are promoting would increase the necessity of having a house for the alt if you wanted to do those things.

Also it's pretty selfish to imply that someone shouldn't be a be to have access to their house with their characters when it has absolutely zero net effect on you what so ever.

I guess all in all it's good that they aren't letting the community decide these things as we have bitter people trying to limit other players for no reason what so ever due to jealousy and selfishness.

Or maybe you just didn't read his comment because he is talking about alts sharing houses and you said no and then suggest that alts should share houses.

Or maybe if you re-read my post again you'll see that I clearly stated that I support Niwashi's idea of having multiple characters share the same property; it would be a welcome change. What I personally don't support is the current premise that multiple characters should have multiple properties since it's a limited resource and it does take away from the players that have none, hence my original suggestion of 1 house per character per server.

[Naunet]

Squenix wants lapsed players to return someday. Taking away the houses they saved millions for and then left behind when they went on hiatus until the next expansion ("The WoW Cycle") is the best way to make them stay away forever.

This is a fantastically stupid idea and I hope Squenix aren't stupid enough to start taking away people's houses because they unsubbed for a few months.

I agree it's not just a stupid idea but also a stupid decision on SE's part to follow through on it. Removing progress from players, especially something that is such a massive investment, is bad, bad, bad. They need to suck it up and own up to the fact that they made a massive mistake in their design of the housing system... and then they need to actually FIX THE HOUSING SYSTEM DESIGN, instead of trying bandage "fixes" that will upset more people than it will actually help.

Releasing the plots of inactive accounts is not going to make a significant impact on housing availability. The only way they're going to possibly fix the housing issue is by a complete redesign of the system. Give everyone a personally instanced house. Let players create our own "neighborhoods" by linking up houses on our own terms, ensuring that we can always have an active, social experience in housing.

[Xerius]

Never getting the 20 mil back, or never getting the house back? Either way, I'm not unsubbing so it doesn't apply to me. Heck I still pay $18/month for XI and I haven't logged in in months...

As it stands right now, if you purchase a house. You never get that money back. You can't sell the house, you can only relinquish your right to it, in which you get a grand refund of 0 gil. The only way to to get money for your house is sell your free company if its a FC house or if it's a private estate your only option is try to find someone willing to buy you off the plot and then purchase the plot at the starting rate. Which if you just send someone 20 mil you're probably going to get flagged as a gil seller. Plus, they're under no obligation to actually relinquish the plot either. They could just take the money and run.

[Dante_V]

IMO there is no need to have more gardens via more houses if you already have access to one on your main character. You're already reaping benefits of the garden on one character, spreading it to alt's for personal gain is just individual player greed and takes away from a limited resource for other players on their main characters.

In terms of a place to stable an alt chocobo... I'm not trying to come off a being against alt characters but I don't feel this should warrant the consumption of a limited resource on a non primary character.
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How are gardens a limited resource again? Your opinion makes no sense outside of just trying to arbitrarily restrict players for no reason. He is talking about all of your characters (alts) sharing houses. This is the perfect solution.

Also you do realize that what he is suggesting would essentially drop the demand of an alt to have it's own house while what you are promoting would increase the necessity of having a house for the alt if you wanted to do those things.

Also it's pretty selfish to imply that someone shouldn't be a be to have access to their house with their characters when it has absolutely zero net effect on you what so ever.

I guess all in all it's good that they aren't letting the community decide these things as we have bitter people trying to limit other players for no reason what so ever due to jealousy and selfishness.

Or maybe you just didn't read his comment because he is talking about alts sharing houses and you said no and then suggest that alts should share houses.

[Niwashi]

IMO there is no need to have more gardens via more houses if you already have access to one on your main character. You're already reaping benefits of the garden on one character, spreading it to alt's for personal gain is just individual player greed and takes away from a limited resource for other players on their main characters.

In terms of a place to stable an alt chocobo... I'm not trying to come off a being against alt characters but I don't feel this should warrant the consumption of a limited resource on a non primary character.

What's this "non primary character" you're talking about? We're discussing people's main characters. Why should one of your main characters be denied gardening items, for instance, just because another character has it? This isn't really an issue for people who have just one main and a few other alts. It's only, as I mentioned before, about people who actually play multiple characters.

I, for instance, have three main characters and four other alts. I don't care as much about houses for my alts (unless I start playing them enough that they become main characters as well), but will eventually want one for all three of my main characters. (So far, only one of them has or can afford a house, though.) I'd actually prefer that they be able to just share a house, but absent that, the only way for them to do everything is to get them each one.

Like a lot of players, I'm paying SE extra money each month for the right to have eight characters on a server rather than just one. That means I'm entitled to actually play the full game with up to eight characters. I'm not going to settle for only one of them getting the rights to a major game feature like housing.

[Cakekizy]

As it stands right now, if you purchase a house. You never get that money back. You can't sell the house, you can only relinquish your right to it, in which you get a grand refund of 0 gil. The only way to to get money for your house is sell your free company if its a FC house or if it's a private estate your only option is try to find someone willing to buy you off the plot and then purchase the plot at the starting rate. Which if you just send someone 20 mil you're probably going to get flagged as a gil seller. Plus, they're under no obligation to actually relinquish the plot either. They could just take the money and run.

Unless there is an agreement in chat. Can be reported and SE takes a very dim view on oathbreakers.