Adding Legacy Tattoo to Mog Station

[Samcaesar]

I'm bowing out of this conversation, this was sticking my hand in a hornet's nest of bad faith arguments and people ignoring the fact that the tattoo required absolutely nothing besides install time + the time to create a character, and I don't really care to put more attention to it. I had a long reply and all but there's basically no point in continuing this, because people are far too defensive over the idea of making some kind of way for new players to get the tattoo. Plus jeez, debating against 4 different people is a pain in the <kupo!>.

Have fun feeling special by having tattoo that took basically nothing to earn and preventing other players from having it.

[Ryel]

I'm bowing out of this conversation, this was sticking my hand in a hornet's nest of bad faith arguments and people ignoring the fact that the tattoo required absolutely nothing besides install time + the time to create a character, and I don't really care to put more attention to it. I had a long reply and all but there's basically no point in continuing this, because people are far too defensive over the idea of making some kind of way for new players to get the tattoo. Plus jeez, debating against 4 different people is a pain in the <kupo!>.

I'm sorry you feel that way about how businesses conduct limited time events, I hope that you are able to participate in all future promotions that you are eligible for.

Have fun feeling special by having tattoo that took basically nothing to earn and preventing other players from having it.

Not a single person who has responded to any of your arguments no matter how hostile they came across has used those words or implied their meaning in any fashion, but if that is what you wish to believe you are free to do so.

[Violyre]

Yeah sure, I mean, it's kinda bizarre to base rewards like that on RNG, it's a game where folks are playing money, they shouldn't have to be lucky in order to get some weird trinket. Heck, I preordered heavensward for example, darn right do I think people are being punished for missing out on the ability to get those minor preorder bonuses like the baron's helmet, it's silly to limit players 100% from getting something because they either lacked the funds or whatever at the current time.

Work in a grocery store. You'll learn.

Customer: What do you mean you can't give me the sale price today!? You probably had this same package out there yesterday so I want it for what it was yesterday!

Or how about a game store?

Customer: Give me a poster! I know I didn't preorder this but I should get it because you have one back there and no one's come in for it yet!

I can't even see how you justify this as "punishment." It's called "exclusive." You bought the Collector's Edition for Heavensward because you wanted that fancy little dragon, didn't you? What about the people who couldn't afford it? Would you send your dragon to them so they're not "punished?"

Have fun feeling special by having tattoo that took basically nothing to earn and preventing other players from having it.

Don't tell me what to do with my tattoo that would be hidden away by clothes most of the time even if I did have it on.

[Rannie]

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Worst analogy there ever with the whole boss handing out free food. My job does it on certain days and a lot of them happen to be MY day off. Do i go bitching and complaining that I didn't get a slice of pizza because I wasn't there that day due to it being my day off? No I take it as it is and say to myself , "there will be other days and other free food." what you're providing and counter arguing would be like someone going int 7-11 (for those who don't know is a convenient store) on July 12 and demanding a free slurpee because they weren't able to the day before (Which 7-11 does on July 11th due to their name.) Quite honestly the employee will look at you and laugh at you (in their head) and then tell you in no uncertain terms that it was for a limited time and you will have to wait until they do either the promotion again or until next year to get your free frozen drink. If you take it far enough with your demands they can ask you to leave and if you don't they'll have you forcibly removed by the local police.

[CGMidlander]

IMO the legacy tattoo should stay as is.
But that doesn't mean SE can't add different tattoo designs in the shop in its place.

[Canadane]

Uh, if your boss is handing out food whenever you weren't working your shift, and won't bother doing it again, your boss is being a jerk. You work all the same, why on earth shouldn't you get it? Because you weren't lucky or something?

I've missed MANY free lunches from work simply because I wasn't there that day for some reason or another.
It sucks, but that's life.

[Laerune]

IMO the legacy tattoo should stay as is.
But that doesn't mean SE can't add different tattoo designs in the shop in its place.

This, we have alot of designs from the class design to the job design, we can even have tattoo of a moogle or different Final Fantasy game logos.

I agree legacy tattoo should stay for the legacy players, even tough it does make me chuckle, when I read that legacy players overcame a huge challenge to unlock the tattoo. I thought to get the legacy tattoo, you needed to create a character within a certain time frame, if this is correct, can a legacy player please explain to me how this is a challenge?

[Valan]

Cool story, I basically wasn't interested in final fantasy at all til November 2014...

you confessed you weren't interested in the game until 2014, one year after the release of ARR, and four after the release of the 1.0. It was a lot of time for get information but you wasn't interested, not a "I want but I couldn't " attitude, it's more "I don't care", so it was a choice of your to not buy the game in the 1.0 era, ergo it's your fault (or it's only che conseguence of your choice, if you prefer a less "punitive" argumentation.)

And never forget: "ignorance isn't an excuse"

[Aldora]

It really only feels like something because it seems like a majority of players who don't want others to have it absolutely despised playing 1.x, it's that "reward" for "suffering through 1.x" as some players have phrased it.

I’m not going to say that there aren’t people who believe that the Legacy Tattoo, Goobbue and Chocobo are their reward for “suffering through 1.x”, because i’m sure that there are people who think that way. I’m also sure that there are people who simply paid for 90 days worth of Subscription fee during the Legacy Campaign period, just to get the Legacy Tattoo, Goobbue and Chocobo.

But, if they really believe that the tattoo is a “reward” for “suffering through 1.x”, then they are going about it all wrong and never had any love for or faith in the game nor the team behind it.

Final Fantasy XIV was in a dire state after it’s initial release in the Autumn of 2010. The game was nowhere near finished when it was released back then and everyone knew it. Even the team behind the game knew it and when they saw that flocks of players were leaving the game within the first month of it’s release, they canceled the subscription fees as an apology while trying to fix the game to a playable state.

At the end of 2010, Naoki Yoshida took the wheel as Producer and Director of Final Fantasy XIV and aimed for something that was unheard of in the gaming industry. He wanted to rebuild Final Fantasy XIV from the ground up and turn it into something that worth the Final Fantasy name.

However, it was not so much the fact that he wanted to rebuild the game that was unheard of, but the way he went about it that was. Not only did he not take down the game so that they could go back to the drawing board and start over… He kept the game online, having the team creating systems and content for the original game while developing an entirely new game in a timespan of 2 years. This new game is what later became know as “A Realm Reborn”.

It was the promise, effort, love, faith and dedication that Naoki Yoshida and the Final Fantasy XIV team had for the game that they gained the support from its player base. Without the support from these players, we wouldn’t have even seen the birth of a game we all love or hate in the first place.

Due to this, Yoshida-san and the PR team created the Legacy Campaign as a big “Thank you” for the support they have received over the years and making “A Realm Reborn” possible. The Legacy Tattoo is not a “Reward”. No, it’s a “Gift” in thanks for the support they’ve received when they needed it the most.

You cannot place a price tag on something that has such a significant meaning to Naoki Yoshida, the Final Fantasy XIV team or the people that genuinely supported them at their time of need.

What this man and his team has achieved in those 2 years is astounding and praiseworthy. The Legacy Tattoo is a symbol of gratitude from them. Don’t devalue that to a cash shop item.

[Millerna]

Well, actually.. The legacy tattoo wasn't part of the rewards for the legacy campaign. Characters created in 1.x all got the tattoo (minus a few due to a bug), whether you paid a subscription or not. The goobbue also had nothing to do with legacy status, it was a reward for talking to an NPC after getting to a certain level. The chocobo and reduced subscription price is what you got for having a paid subscription during the legacy campaign thing.