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    The math on Fey Wind puts it at about a 1.5% increase in party DPS. For something that you can fire off more-or-less automatically, that's a lot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrasteia View Post
    The math on Fey Wind puts it at about a 1.5% increase in party DPS. For something that you can fire off more-or-less automatically, that's a lot.
    No good math would have have Fey Wind do a 1.5% increase in party DPS. It's much less.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidra View Post
    No good math would have have Fey Wind do a 1.5% increase in party DPS. It's much less.
    Considering people with more knowledge and experience compared to your few months experience have crunched the numbers on numerous posts and sites about this, you might want to back up your post with actual data.

    To the OP. Which fairy you use is situational. If you are not up to par or just not that great of healer, then eos will be your go to fairy. If you are a competent healer then Selene will be the fairy to use. Any kind of raid wide increase to damage output like Selene's remade buff does is less healing you will have to do overall. If something dies faster, less healing you should need to do over a course of a fight.

    I will say this, eos is a crutch for bad healers a lot of the time. Whether it is gear related or skill related is not the problem as both are fixable. Having s potency increase to compensate for your short comings is a definition of a crutch.
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    Last edited by Zaresin; 08-18-2015 at 05:52 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaresin View Post
    Considering people with more knowledge and experience compared to your few months experience have crunched the numbers on numerous posts and sites about this, you might want to back up your post with actual data.

    To the OP. Which fairy you use is situational. If you are not up to par or just not that great of healer, then eos will be your go to fairy. If you are a competent healer then Selene will be the fairy to use. Any kind of raid wide increase to damage output like Selene's remade buff does is less healing you will have to do overall. If something dies faster, less healing you should need to do over a course of a fight.

    I will say this, eos is a crutch for bad healers a lot of the time. Whether it is gear related or skill related is not the problem as both are fixable. Having s potency increase to compensate for your short comings is a definition of a crutch.
    I wanna see you test this. Go out to a dummy and cast fey wind. Broil it as many times as you can. ~11 times right?
    Now Cast adlo on yourself for a timer, and do the same thing. Broil it as many times as you can. ~11 times again right?

    It takes almost 3 rotations of Fey wind (1 minute and 20 seconds of buff time or about 2 minutes and 20 seconds total) to get that extra GCD. I wanna see this miracle math and data you're talking about. Selene helps dps/healers with poor speed stats to hit their rotations and push their buffs about a tenth of a second easier(7/10 really if you're starting at at least 2.43.)

    3% x 8≠ 24%. Everyone's GCDs are seperate. They do not add up instantly to make the group hit faster and thus hit harder. It takes everyone those 33 GCDs to reach a benifit of a real dps increase of "1.5%."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaresin View Post
    Considering people with more knowledge and experience compared to your few months experience have crunched the numbers on numerous posts and sites about this, you might want to back up your post with actual data.
    Excuse me? The 3% number is derived from quite simply stating 50% up time of a 3% ability. Is that what you call number crunching? However, the buff doesn't impact damage, it effects GCD and autoattack speed. However, there is a ton of damage in this game that is not tied to autoattcks or GCDs. Dots, and off GCD, primarily. We're talking a lot of damage that Fey Wind simply doesn't impact at all which detracts from the 1.5%. So please, point me to this amazing math that shows Fey Wind has a 1.5% overall party dps increase.

    I am surprised I had to explain that is to you as it's quite simple - someone of obviously intelligent as you shouldn't have needed any explanation.
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    Last edited by Sidra; 08-18-2015 at 06:15 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaresin View Post
    Which fairy you use is situational.
    Well...this part was true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaresin View Post
    Considering people with more knowledge and experience compared to your few months experience have crunched the numbers on numerous posts and sites about this, you might want to back up your post with actual data.

    To the OP. Which fairy you use is situational. If you are not up to par or just not that great of healer, then eos will be your go to fairy. If you are a competent healer then Selene will be the fairy to use. Any kind of raid wide increase to damage output like Selene's remade buff does is less healing you will have to do overall. If something dies faster, less healing you should need to do over a course of a fight.

    I will say this, eos is a crutch for bad healers a lot of the time. Whether it is gear related or skill related is not the problem as both are fixable. Having s potency increase to compensate for your short comings is a definition of a crutch.
    There's so much wrong in this post my eyes are bleeding right now...

    Find me a group that has downed A3S that did not use EOS on P3 and P4.

    I dare you, I double dare you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gallus View Post
    There's so much wrong in this post my eyes are bleeding right now...

    Find me a group that has downed A3S that did not use EOS on P3 and P4.

    I dare you, I double dare you.
    Your reading comprehension could use some work. I said a lot of the time. Not all of the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaresin View Post
    Your reading comprehension could use some work. I said a lot of the time. Not all of the time.
    Even if you said "a lot of the time", your last sentence suggests eos is only for noobs healers. Eos's job is not just to increase heal potency, but your own damage output during heal check, and Selene can't really do that.

    Rouse + aoe HoT = less heal to do = better cleric stance
    Better heal potency = better adlo = better cleric stance

    I don't use Eos a lot but I can see the utility to have it. As a raider, I used her during A1S and probably will use her again during A3S fights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khyan View Post
    Even if you said "a lot of the time", your last sentence suggests eos is only for noobs healers. Eos's job is not just to increase heal potency, but your own damage output during heal check, and Selene can't really do that.

    Rouse + aoe HoT = less heal to do = better cleric stance
    Better heal potency = better adlo = better cleric stance

    I don't use Eos a lot but I can see the utility to have it. As a raider, I used her during A1S and probably will use her again during A3S fights.
    I also said each one is situational. If you aren that great a healer then yes eos will be your go to fairy. I noticed I didn't finish the thought which isn't surprising as I was half asleep when I typed that on my phone. Should have in there "or if you need a heal boost".

    Yes your will need eos periodically but if you have two competent healers Selene will be the go to fairy most of the time. Not always. The way I view the fairies are eos has more a selfish play style where majority of her skills effect only certain people outside of her aoe Hot and embrace (not really including her mag resist boost as I still never found much use for it). Selene I view as more a giving fairy as her haste buff and aoe esuna can help in dire circumstances or burn phases. Her silence is situational if your tank isn't able to silence certain abilities on time. Best when used over voice chat so you aren't silencing something when you shouldn't and only ever seen or use it when there isn't any other choice.

    I personally will find myself SC summoning different fairies throughout the fight when I know what is going to happen. Do I do this often. Not really no, tend to do it more during pugs as I may not know the other healer and what they are capable of. Most of the time I just use Selene as she is more than capable of handling things while I'm in CS even in Alexander.
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    Last edited by Zaresin; 08-18-2015 at 09:43 PM.

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