Did Yoshi P messed up the relics Im trying to understand the meaning of this help me!

[Nadirah]

I have to love all the ffxi bashing i see. There are a lot of systems that were in ffxi that are still miles ahead of ffxiv: AH, Mog housing, merit points, gear, abilities, and job distinguishing features. Not even to mention that it is what going on its 12th year or something like that?

How many games can honestly say they have that type of player retention with a multi-million subscriber count game as their competition? Even in the best of WOW times, ffxi still had customers bringing in the money, so there cant be anything good there... lol

With relics, tomestones, and now scrips the line between which is more grindy in ffxi vs ffxiv is getting blurred.

EverQuest.

Older than FFXI by a long shot. And it's still going.

[Mikedizzy]

I am torn between the two options the Devs have:
1. If they make the leveling process even longer to have us working on stuff longer. What if we were just now getting to level 55?? Would people like that, or not? Not sure what I think as of right now.
2. Keep things that way they are now and because of how good most of us are at leveling and time we can put in we out gear our gear so fast that we cannot even get the whole set before we are on to the next one and her is an example of what I mean.
I am leveling Dragoon right now and am at level 56 with like 200k xp to go before I start running "The Vault" and working on new gear. Well I still have not got my weapon drop from the Aery and like 4-5 other pieces. Something is wrong with how fast we can level...but at the same time I like the quick leveling because I level EVERYTHING and if it took too long per character I would never be able to do them all.
So as far as the Relic goes I just wish that it stayed relevant and we kept working on the same one. Still waiting to see what this "head start" is they are going to give us for completing the ZETA but it probably is not going to be worth the time we put in although I really hope it is a good reward for finishing it, that would be good on them for the dedication that people had to do it.
It is not just that we wanted the weapons but wanted something else to do and level and occupy our time...that is what an MMO is all about right...do different stuff every day if we want to keep up engaged and playing more.

[seida]

With Primal Extremes it's needing people to tackle the content, hoping your weapon drops and grinding for an unknown time til it drops. The same with coil, but for coil it's even worse, because the weapon from the coil bosses themselves were just one try a week, if you beat the boss and didn't get the weapon better luck next week

If you notice your options are, do Primals and spam hoping they drop, or doing coil and hoping you get the allagan/encrypted tome depending on which patch you were in. Relics don't sound that bad now do they?

Not really, spamming ex primals was a hundred times easier and more interesting than grinding relic. Despite your long list, the only difficult things on it are the coil bosses.

[Jim_Berry]

In FFXI, Artifact was crap at 75, EXCEPT, for the only specific boost to one of your spell/ability.

The Artifact gear, when Reforged, wasn't crap.

Here is NIN Artifact legs:


Then, NIN Artifact legs when upgraded (Reforged):


And finally, NIN Artifact legs upgraded again (Reforged +1):


I don't know about you, but going from Artifact to Reforged +1 isn't crap, in my opinion. My argument isn't about Lv75 gear. It's about obtaining gear that was hard work to get and being able to upgrade it rather than toss it each time a new patch release. Obtaining gear via upgrades makes non-raiders like myself have a Gear Goal rather than being judged because we're not able to spam the end-game content for the other Gear.

[SkizzleofRagnarok]

Jim Berry thank you for helping people see it. Yoshi P announced how the relics are gonna look in the recent thread of 3.1. Its a continued repeat he pretty ruined the relics sadly. He still has the final call in this. There is no way in hell im investing more time and gil and this unrewarding disrespectful relic system.
Its only a matter of time now its showing. Look at other threads. This expansion was supposed to be how Yoshi would show us how him and his dev team are capable of and we get these lulz instead. Continue to cater to casuals only and ruin the heart of the game by all means just do it. This game has no longevity and I will continue to wait it out. I honestly feel happy if the company looses subscribers to wow because focus is on current hypetrain instead of having a longterm customer group.

To answer you below Nadirah: No one wants a new FFXI for the 403804538504 time have you been reading the thread or just intentionally ignoring it? This weapon does not have to be some shiny it could be the weapon you grow with. Everything else you can get just leave this unturned. People invested a huge amount of gil and time getting multiple relics too because they love the grind and the game and I speak for ALOT of players who really thought this was going to be the "reward" that makes you stand out from others a bit pretty much like people who do Alex Savage they stick out more than others. Why is that such a big problem to reward you instead of punishing you and disrespecting you all for the love of casuals to catch up? Catch up buying your damn esoterics weapons if you must or go do ravanna ex 10 times or overmeld your weapon. If you truly want a relic with your own prefered stats work for it. Not work for it so 6 months later Yoshi P decides he only wants to cater to lazy gamers and intentionally telling you pretty much "Oh you pay for a subscription? Here have everything everyone else took time to learn mechanics on, grind gil to get or devoted time to get because here in FFXIV its a Communism Reborn everyone gets a relic because you pay for a Subscription"

Truth or not I didnt sign up for this nonsense and many other didnt either. Only reason I'm even here speaking up is because most of the players who share my mentality gave up hope because they feel their voice wont be heard and they are ignored by Yoshi P who claims he cares about the 1.0 players who kept the game alive as the new ones and funny enough its only the new consumers he cares about. Its a damn shame seeing him milking this game as much as possible for 4-5 before the next MMORPG trend comes and he will loose subscribers. I just hope this time comes even faster.

Its not even about two years its about making this weapon enjoyable that is why its called a relic make it enjoyable fun and rewarding not a slap to the face with disrespectful nerfs so everyone can get one. Just add lights to new areas and new dungeons aswell keep the process the same with the droprates etc why should you get a silly handout when players went through the frustration and horrible droprates in dungeons that took 20-30 minutes that people did 40-50 time and even more just because you pay for a subscription? That shows how lazy and sad this new gamer generation is, you want everything that everyone else has in this game for half the effort. Its not your fault anyways its Yoshi P and the dev team calling these horrible decisions that makes this even possible for the "casuals".

[Nadirah]

Dude. You had two years of use out of it. That's longer than most MMOs give you out of an epic weapon, and in some games, they're class specific and only one of them so if you played a mage in wow looking for a legendary in Wrath, tough shit!

We can go on for days about how it all works, but in the end:

This isn't FFXI
This game is entirely vertical in progression
You *will* outgrow your shinies eventually

If these truths bother you so much, go back to FFXI. It's still going.

[SkizzleofRagnarok]

Outgrow my shinys vs continue making shiny expand evolve look different? So wich one of us is the lazy player who doesn't want to start from square 1 but wants to be with me on square 5 just because you pay for a subscription and I'm the selfish one?

[Reynhart]

Outgrow my shinys vs continue making shiny expand evolve look different? So wich one of us is the lazy player who doesn't want to start from square 1 but wants to be with me on square 5 just because you pay for a subscription and I'm the selfish one?

Well you are the selfish one since you want to force people to do absolutely tedious tasks for a useless weapon, even though you didn't have to do all those tedious task for a useless weapon.

My argument isn't about Lv75 gear.

The problem with your argument is that is was false for YEARS even in FFXI, and people are already bitching in FFXIV only 2 months after release and even before knowing anything about the new relics.

And let me quote myself again, for all those people blindly claiming that FFXI was great because it never nerfed relic tasks:

Dynamis first version :
- Cost 1 million gils to enter each time
- Could only enter once every 72 hours
- Need a full Linkshell to clear
- Had an abysmal drop rate for ancient currency, especially major ones

Present Dynamis :
- Cost 50kgils for a key item granting permanent access
- Can enter once every day
- Mobs can be soloed at lvl 90, a party of 75 can kill them and they even give XP.
- Each mob can be "proced" with a spell/skill/weapon skill (depending on type and hour) to ensure a currency drop, even a major currency drop if you manage to obtain a white proc

Yep...no nerf...ever

[Asierid]

Jim_Berry: This is why vertical progression sucks.

Aw. That's great. Go to a horizontal game then. Bye.

[SkizzleofRagnarok]

You are acting like this Nerf happened two weeks after FFXI got released. All thoese nerfs came after Abyssea almost 8 years into FFXI. The drastic changes had to be taken to keep players interested in FFXI and keep people to pay so you can have this FFXIV A Communism for Casuals 2.0 Rekin heavensward Reborn.
If you cant figure that part out for yourself then thats your loss. Before that everything was a grind and rewarding. That is why alot of people say I would play FFXI pre abyssea. Here due to this horrible vertical progression and catering to casuals only we are stuck with this so your arguments are not good enough imo.

Why should everyone else not do the same struggle everyone else went through to obtain the item? Again same reply you can leave one thing as it is since everything else is a vertical progression let people enjoy a damn relic. I got 5 of them the struggle way you mean to tell me casuals cant get 1 the same path we did?

Players who still dont agree with that I find them selfish and toxic towards the community. Its these type of players who feel like they are entitled to everything you have with 0 effort because its outdated. Its Yoshi Ps fault anyways not yours or anyone else for having this insane gaming mentality thats beyond horrible. I trully hope that Blizzard just releases their damn MMORPG soon so Yoshi P and SE can get burned and go back to the drawing board and get it right.
Everyone who supports gaming mentality of lazyness and "outdated" should be outdated instead of finding stuff enjoyable and keeping something worthwhile can might aswell encourage and suggest SE that we can hire SE staff members to level our chars and do our relics since you enjoy so much handouts and lazyness whats the point right? Its gonna get outdated anyways and everyone should be able to catch up?

Asierid: I'm not going anywhere actually. I love this game and the community some things can still be saved. If you truly want handouts just continue your gameplay your own way it wont be affected anyways and leave us who want some sort enjoyment and reward alone.