So are consoles holding back this game?

[DracotheDragon]

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sigh,
games on PS4 with the custom DX 11 via the openGL on PS4
Dark souls 2 (uses the DX11.1 open GL)
bloodborne( Uses the openGL Dx11.1)
GTAV (was removed a few patches after launch but reinstated after some tweaks )
planetside 2 (the beta used the OpenGL DX11.1 compatibility)
Final fantasy XV episode duscae

Metal gear solid TPP (the demo had the same features on the PS4 as the DX11 PC version on gamescom some key visual differences like Render allowance and lighting distance were much higher on PC.)
and P.T (the fox engine is capable of using the PS4's Custom OpenGL which is comparable with DX11.1 on ps4)

proper DX11 and openGL's DX 11.1 are not entirely the same BUT, both can have the same features as the other (all be it slightly toned down), and the new Opengl's custom DX11.1 is highly comparable to the microsoft's DX11



as for the mod part, you may be right with that but the modding community will find ways around those blockades if they wanted to, so if they allowed modding on PC and ps4 it would take some time before both versions of the game


also "how meny times must i say this" you have said it once, so a few more times before that line :P also the Xbox one in your argument uses the Internet far more then the PS4, unless you fully turn them both off, the ps4 uses the internet to download and instal patch data while it is on standby, or if you buy something and wish to have it downloaded while your away it will remotely turn on and download, the xbox one however (this may of been implemented in a patch after i sold mine) does not, it stays online and uses the internet to update advertisement on the main dashboard and sometimes prompt me for a key update, but no patch data will be downloaded, if you are fully OFF the internet the PS4 would be better not because of its higher Cpu or that (with both being similar) but mainly for the wider selection of games, if the internet isn't added to this then you would go for the one with the bigger library of entertainment.

oh and to awnser yu on another thread, bloodbornes' loading times was mostly due to the fact the 'blood' engine (which was used in creating Bloodborne yes i know it is a form of the havoc engine but it was referred to as 'blood' for the overall engine) which is a modded version of the 'Soul' (which i think was partly made using the pyre engine as a base)) engine, had some issues during development and to correct that they increased the loading times so the engine could figure out where monsters would go and place them in the right spots, this was heavily fixed post launch, since they have had time to tweak the Blood engine, and Dark souls 3 is rumoured to use the tweaked Blood engine called the ember engine.

and by the by, i had an xbox one the only reason i sold it was mostly because it was erroring, i had a replacement but not meny games on it and i didn't want for it to just sit there so i sold it to someone who wanted one, i did enjoy the xbox one, but again it just sat there.

but bleh this is slightly off topic, so allow me to say something on topic.

since this game is designed for PS3 and pc's with similar specs to the PS3, (i.e very low and cheep computers) then this game would need to drop the ps3 support and raise the bar on PC support to more modern computers if they truly wish to add in a lot more UI content, as for the ps4. for now the ps4 hasn't been fully tapped in and realised the arguments of its space being small or weaker is in comparisons to the PS3 when it launched before suddenly every game was playable on the PS4, granted it has been 2 years but it will take some time before the PS4 is fully used in terms of space and engines, if this game wants fully open world maps like 1.0 then the lower spec consoles and pc's would have to be dropped, but if they wanted to utilise more UI modding capabilities and even some extra content for a more open world they would need to make the minimum bar rise,

as for those saying for a dangerous boss being a thing the consoles are holding back, that is incorrect the 'danger' of the open world and eat, isn't because of 'casuals' or 'consoles'. that is a design choice, and even if this game was made SOLEY for high spec PC's they would still be the same.

[Bishop81]

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OK, either my brain is bombed or that was incomprehensible.

Also DX and OpenGL, neither are in use on the PS4. It uses it's own GNM API.

[Colorful]

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Something's wrong with me and accidentally deleting my posts, let me make this short... .-.

Direct3D and OpenGL are not the same product and are actually competitors for now, there is no OpenGL DX11.1, that's just not how it works. PS4 uses its own API as stated by Bishop, GNM and PSSL. Modders can't bypass a locked system with a forced approval on mods unless you were to jailbreak your device, but even then I'm not quite sure what that opens up (not to mention it's likely not a simple process, and not many people will do it). As for the consoles getting better overtime, that's not going to happen either. The PS4 and XONE uses the same architecture as a modern PC, one which developers are incredibly familiar with, there is no learning process like there was with the PS3's Cell architecture. These consoles were outdated on release due to the outcry there'd be if they cost anymore than $500 and they've already hit their limit with quite a lot of games. For example, PS4 can barely manage 30 FPS on Episode Duscae while the XONE dips into sub 20 FPS quite often. Expect the next generation of consoles sooner rather than later, unless Sony and Microsoft decide to milk them for all they're worth, then they'll release the "next gen" is 2-3 years time.

Also I'm pretty sure Yoshida said that the PS3 was holding back large scale FATEs/world bosses, although I cannot be bothered finding the article in which he said. Feel free to do so if you wish, I know it was a recent one if that helps. =P

Since they plan on making the game available to nintendo ps3 limitation will be the least of our worries

The NX is likely to be more powerful than the PS4.

[DracotheDragon]

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ok fair enough, i'll admit when i am beat ^w^

as for the idea of sony and microsoft milking the consoles they will, the ps3 lasted 6 years and xbox nearly 9 years, and microsoft had made 2 different 'xbox one' xbox 360 models to milk more money from people,

as for the live letter i have herd on server limitation as well as console limitation but i'll take your word on it :3


as for the NX being more powerful then the PS4, it is nintendo they don't play the bigger guns, so it wouldn't surprise me if it is stronger then the wii-u but weaker then the ps4 and xbox 360, but i am curious what nintendo will do

[Kosmos992k]

as for the idea of sony and microsoft milking the consoles they will, the ps3 lasted 6 years and xbox nearly 9 years, and microsoft had made 2 different 'xbox one' xbox 360 models to milk more money from people,

PS3 is still on sale and bein manufactured, it still hase game releases, Sony doesn't drop consoles like hot bricks when the next one comes out. Handheld systems though...SCEA has a pathalogical hatred of.