If Paladin is "specialized in defense" shouldn't its defense be better always?

[Marveth]

I'm not saying PLD is in a good spot. In fact, because I dont have a PLD I tend to stay out of those discussions. But DRK doesn't have nearly the same dps as WAR does even with debuffs applied. If anything War should be the one with inferior defense while pld focus on physical and drk on magical defense.

[Anger]

I'm not saying PLD is in a good spot. In fact, because I dont have a PLD I tend to stay out of those discussions. But DRK doesn't have nearly the same dps as WAR does even with debuffs applied. If anything War should be the one with inferior defense while pld focus on physical and drk on magical defense.

The DRK can keep its damage buff running while tanking though.

There's a reason the world first A3S group had DRK and WAR.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

The DRK can keep its damage buff running while tanking though.

There's a reason the world first A3S group had DRK and WAR.

So can Warrior/Paladin.

Maim
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Paladin and Warrior are fine.

[Anger]

So can Warrior/Paladin.

Maim
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Paladin and Warrior are fine.

Fight or Flight is a 30s duration on a 90s cooldown. The DRK can keep DarkSide running the entire time.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

Fight or Flight is a 20s duration on a 90s cooldown. The DRK can keep DarkSide running the entire time.

It is also 30%. Its also 30 seconds not 20. That means you can use it and do other things like heal and use it for damage when your doing damage. That is why its good for a Paladin because paladins can do other things that other tanks cannot, like cast clemency for healing. So they have their damage when they need it.

Maim can also be up 100% of the time, and its 20%.

Darkside is only 15%, and it has a VERY high cost attached to it.

Sorry. I am suprised you play a Paladin when you didn't even know about its duration.

Have you ever played Dark Knight? Keeping up Darkside 100% of the time is a non-issue.

When your mass pulling and spamming AOEs it is hard to keep it up. However, when your facing a mob one on one you can keep it up forever. You should know this. I mass pull entire rooms however.

I corrected my mistake shortly after. Watch Savage videos from DRK perspective. They don't drop Darkside, the cost isn't as high as you think, it played correctly.

Correct, but that isn't mass pulling. You can't Keep Dark up if your constantly pulling 6-7-9 monsters and moving room to room fast. It is very hard, and you get more damage just spamming your aoes without it since each tick takes 1/3 of an aoe. So its a 33% loss rather then 15%. However, if your one on one doing the former and keeping it up 100% of the time is better.

I agree, I think Clemency should be similar to Equilibrium in that it casts instantly but has a long cooldown.

No, that would kill the flavor of the class. It should be 2.5 second cast like other healing abilities.

[Adrasteia]

Darkside is only 15%, and it has a VERY high cost attached to it.

Have you ever played Dark Knight? Keeping up Darkside 100% of the time is a non-issue.

When your mass pulling and spamming AOEs it is hard to keep it up.

No. Unless I have a WHM chain-casting Holy, I can spam Abyssal Drain for the duration of Blood Price. It's certainly more potency-per-GCD (even if I do run out of mana) than Paladins, who can maintain a whopping 23.333~ AoE potency per GCD at the absolute maximum.

[Anger]

It is also 30%. Its also 30 seconds not 20. That means you can use it and do other things like heal and use it for damage when your doing damage. That is why its good for a Paladin because paladins can do other things that other tanks cannot, like cast clemency for healing. So they have their damage when they need it.

Maim can also be up 100% of the time, and its 20%.

Darkside is only 15%, and it has a VERY high cost attached to it.

Sorry. I am suprised you play a Paladin when you didn't even know about its duration.

I corrected my mistake shortly after. Watch Savage videos from DRK perspective. They don't drop Darkside, the cost isn't as high as you think, it played correctly.

No matter how you look at it, the DRK and WAR - played correctly - will always out do the Paladin in damage.

The Paladin will be beaten in defense as well in some cases too. That's what I'm trying to point out.

[Anger]

Correct, but that isn't mass pulling. You can't Keep Dark up if your constantly pulling 6-7-9 monsters and moving room to room fast. It is very hard, and you get more damage just spamming your aoes without it since each tick takes 1/3 of an aoe. So its a 33% loss rather then 15%. However, if your one on one doing the former and keeping it up 100% of the time is better.

You didn't specify mass pulling and I don't think "mass pulling" is something we're really concerned about here. This is more directed towards Savage.