Vote kick option MUST be removed.

[Laraul]

It should not show who initiate a kick.
If it shows WHO initiates and the kick fails, it is predictable the first one being kick will then try to kick the initiator ^^;
As a result, most likely after the kick those ppl will start chat PvP and kick war, it will make the situation worse.

...And then party would end up vote kicking both members... you think people are this stupid? The party is like a jury, your on trial, and when the jury says "not guilty" you turn around and retaliate, making that jury realize they made a mistake, which they quickly remedy. How often have you seen two people actually go at each other w/ the vote kick option in this game? I've never have heard of it happening. It's silly.

Tell you what... let's try my idea first, and see what happens. Right now the vote kick system is leaving everyone in the dark. I'd think we'd all agree.

[Darkstride]

Maybe I have been lucky, I don't know ......but I rarely if ever see vote kick abuse. The only times I have participated in (or witnessed) a vote kick was because the player was afk/offline, was trolling/harassing, or requested to be kicked.

I have personally never been kicked.

I find it hard to believe that someone who was kicked 3 times was completely innocent each and every time. It requires a majority vote, so one person alone can't abuse it. If you're kicked, either multiple group members agree or you are traveling with a pair of trolls.

While I am sure that some abuse happens on occasion, in my experience it is used properly far more than it is abused.

Also, big bold capital letters are a terrible way to get people to take you seriously. Posting in obnoxious ways really only makes you look incapable of conveying your thoughts properly. I don't know the OP, but the post gives me the impression that they are irrational and might have possibly deserved a vote kick based on their behavior.

[Laraul]

Also a lot of people will click yes regardless to initiated what/why.

You can't say this since we don't know the results of the vote. Could be that no one clicked either yes and no and it goes thru cuz the only vote that's registered is the person who instigated it.

And why doesn't the person being vote kicked get to click yes or no? Sure, they would almost always click "no" unless they're afk, in which they'd abstain once the after the 45 second count down finishes. And if they aren't they could use those 45 seconds to ask "why?" before clicking. I do not expect people to give a reason when they vote... but being forced to be asked why your kicking someone will illicit a response.

I think this is the best solution, along w/ including the person who initiated the vote kick. It would still allow one player to kick three afk party members, as it is now. And it would balance the yes vote generated by the kicker. Besides what good is a vote unless everyone get's a say.

[Bovinity]

I don't think I've ever seen the vote kick system used period. :O

(Also, I'm really, really skeptical of the "I didn't do or say anything and gosh, I just got kicked for no reason" stories.)

[Laraul]

I find it hard to believe that someone who was kicked 3 times was completely innocent each and every time. It requires a majority vote, so one person alone can't abuse it. If you're kicked, either multiple group members agree or you are traveling with a pair of trolls.

In a four person party, just one person needs to click yes for the vote kick to succeed, making the vote tally 2/1. And when your kicked, which you say you have not, you get absolutely no warning. You don't see a vote kick window like the other members. You are never told that there's a vote kick. The screen just goes black and you see the message "You've been dismissed from the duty." in the log window. Imagine if you we're doing a run, no one says a thing, and then screen just goes black? How would you feel? It's like a slap on the face and you don't know what you did deserve it. Your going to be a little peeved...

And how do you know that you never had some attempt to vote kick you? It's possible someone tried and it failed. You wouldn't see any indication unless someone in the party explicitly stated you had been.

It's a really dumb system... thankfully it's not used that often... most people aren't jerks.

[Darkstride]

In a four person party, just one person needs to click yes for the vote kick to succeed, making the vote tally 2/1. And when your kicked, which you say you have not, you get absolutely no warning.

And how do you know that you never had some attempt to vote kick you? It's possible someone tried and it failed. You wouldn't see any indication unless someone in the party explicitly stated you had been.

That still means that in a group of 4 people, 2 of them think you are worth kicking. Again, I am not claiming that is is never abused, however I don't believe it i's a game-breaking problem. I do think that people being kicked often should take some time to reflect on the reasons why they might be getting kicked rather than blaming everyone else.

As for me, I never claimed that no one ever tried to kick me from a group. However, I have played the game since launch and have never successfully been kicked from a group whether it was attempted or not. If one player feels I should be removed, yet others do not feel the same then it would not pass. I have only seen Vote Kick used appropriately in situations that warranted removing a player from the group.

So, in my experience vote kick abuse is non-existent. If others have had different experiences and feel differently, then that is their prerogative to do so. But, as I said before I think players who claim to be kicked so often that they feel abused might need to be more realistic about why it is happening.

[Elamys]

Actually I think showing who instigated a vote or who voted how would be an awful, awful idea. Because in WoW, before vote kick was added, it was always very obvious who kicked you. And I've seen and experienced a lot of trolling from people who were angry about that.

People tend to lose their cool extremely easily online, especially in games.

[XiXiQ]

I think in 4 man "levelling" roulettes, you need a full 3 vote. Too many times I see 3 synced, plus 1 unsynced, and after a few learning mistakes someone invariably decides to kick, and someone else always seems to agree. End result is I end up feeling bad for the new guy.

Really, if you don't want to show some patience towards a newer player, don't do the levelling roulette. Same with Main Scenario. If you don't have the patience to put up with tank/heals who are learning, just don't do it.

[Niwashi]

I think in 4 man "levelling" roulettes, you need a full 3 vote. Too many times I see 3 synced, plus 1 unsynced, and after a few learning mistakes someone invariably decides to kick, and someone else always seems to agree. End result is I end up feeling bad for the new guy.

I've seen it when there weren't even any mistakes. While leveling ninja, I was in a low level dungeon with an arcanist. He was the only one of us on-level, but he was doing fine and the run was going perfectly smooth. About half-way through a vote-kick window popped up for no apparent reason. I voted no, but the healer and tank must have both agreed because the arcanist was kicked out. My guess is that the healer was hoping for 2 DoW damage dealers so that he could be guaranteed any DoM gear drops. (Not sure whether the tank was a friend of his or just one of those idiots who will vote "Yes" for no reason besides the vote window popping up.) I was rather glad that our replacement DD turned out to be another arcanist, but it still sucks for that first guy we had.


p.s. Does everyone else's spell-checker keep trying to turn "arcanist" into "anarchist"? Seems like the seed of a fan-fic in there somehow.

[Marveth]

Even a group is 4 man, but logically it would be 3ppl consider kicking 1ppl,
with that said, it would be a vote within 3ppl decision, as a result, 2ppl doesn't mean the half, it means 2/3 ^^;

I assume you meant to quote my other post where I said 51% should agree on kick rather than 50% or less. And I must say thank you for nitpicking where it is not necessary. Note though that I did not say 50% of three is two. I said there is an issue in 4 man groups because if you queue up with a friend you basically decides everything in the group. Meaning you could kick both the other players should you wish.