Is it time to get rid of the PIE party bonus?

[technole]

Then give all healers both MND and PIE party bonuses if it's a big concern, as Ghis suggests. This is what they should have done to begin with.

That change now allows the WHM/WHM, SCH/SCH, and AST/AST situation which is heavily discouraged. The real issue is they address the AST healing toolkit, which we know is going to happen in some capacity.

I don't heal so didn't even know about this. But DRK I would think gets benefit from piety with reliance on MP.

DRKs benefit too and all the MP regeneration we can get aside from Blood Price is a bonus. In terms of DPS, BLMs probably benefit the most because that can mean another fire in the rotation.

[StouterTaru]

I just looked at BLM piety for the first time since expansion, did they nerf piety this bad for all jobs? Spell costs tripled, and the amount of MP given per piety dropped by 20%.

[chumsy]

it makes sense to me, as you never wanna stack two AST or SCH anyways. plus it makes it more beneficial to take WHM + non whm.

[Cynfael]

That change now allows the WHM/WHM, SCH/SCH, and AST/AST situation which is heavily discouraged. The real issue is they address the AST healing toolkit, which we know is going to happen in some capacity.

Let's be real about this: the presence or lack of MND party bonus isn't making or breaking any healer combo.

I'd rather see both bonuses given to all healers just to make it even across the board.

[Crater]

It should be done away with in some way, whether that be giving all healers both bonuses, or just increasing Piety by 3% across the board and not having the Piety bonus, or even by just getting rid of it altogether and making people deal with slightly less MP.

The Mind bonus makes a pretty big difference. Right now, it's up to about 30 Mind. That's pretty close to what you get by upgrading your healers' weapons by 10 item levels. Healers can absorb that penalty a lot more readily than DPS or Tank classes can, but it's still kind of an unfair choice for people to have to make.

[RazeLandale]

It's a pointless system that should be dropped. Roll the stats in baseline. Most people bring their own stat, all it does is penalize ast + sch parties and maybe tanks if your melee is a ninja or something and doesn't give him strength. Minor penalties, sure, but why? It's not encouraging varied parties, it's discouraging them.

[Selli]

I love the PIE bonus, I don't want to see it gone, but I do want to see something done about the fact that AST only offers PIE. There is definitely a lot of SCH vs AST for spots in Alexander Savage prog parties (at least on my server) because WHM is mandatory for that MND bonus. AST was advertised to us as being a fluid healer, able to fill both roles, though that is true in context, only offering one party buff does provide a problem in achieving this.

And the MND bonus is very significant. My WHM has 977 MND outside of a party, and 1,006 MND in a party. That is 29 MND. That's basically a free accessory value of MND (not a very high ilevel accessory, mind you. XD).

[SwordswornFox]

What if every class brought two stat buffs a primary/secondary if you will, but if you also get a class in your party that gives the secondary stat as their primary, it is their stat bonus that is used in that slot. So WHM brings MND as primary and Piety at 1/2 the bonus value. if they have a Scholar or AST in the party you get both at the full bonus, but if you're doubling WHM you only get a small PIE bonus. or maybe a part of the minor bonus gets stacked on to the major bonus if you have stacking secondaries. Just rambling musings

Off the Cuff:
Tanks
Vit/Str

Dragoons/Monks
Str/Dex

Ninja
Dex/Str

Bard/Mch
Dex/Vit or Pie

BLM/SMN
Int/Pie

WHM
MND/Pie

AST/SCH
Pie/MND

[FoxyAreku]

How about we leave it as it is because there's nothing wrong with it and this whole thread is mostly nitpicking.

Or we can have AST give mind when in diurnal and PIE when in nocturnal, that'd make more sense than anything I think.

[Pentacus]

I've always been of the opinion that it should have been WHM that brought PIE and SCH that brought MND, considering that SCH are meant to be tactical geniuses, and WHM are Amdapori priests

for AST, I'm in agreement that it should be based on stance