Vote kick option MUST be removed.

[Niwashi]

The vote kick system needs some more transparency. It should show WHO initiates a vote kick, so if someone really is abusing by calling it repeatedly they can be reported. Also right not the kickee is totally unaware that a vote kick is underway. If a vote kick is called on you and fails you have no idea about it. And if it passes you have no idea WHY you are vote kicked.

I agree with this. Any time a vote is called to kick someone, the person being voted about should see who initiated it, who voted for it, and the initiator should have to explain what the kick is for.

Perhaps everyone who votes for the kick should need to explain it as well. Those kicked for real reasons get a better view of what it is that way, and needing to justify their "yes" vote might stop the idiots who will just blindly vote yes for no reason except that a vote-kick window popped up on their screen. Make it so that "No" is the simple default answer and people will only vote to kick someone out when there's a real reason for it.

[MythToken]

While this conversation is enlightening and worthy of a real discussion. The OP's use of Capital letters to scream at us and say he will not discuss anything and that his point is absolute, might shed some light on his inability to work in a group setting. While he may be correct in his version of some of the events that transpired, i get the feeling we are looking at a very biased version of events.

TLDR - continue discussion, but OP is not a great example of vote kick abuse.

[AceTheRedComet]

I am not going to lie, I have been vote kicked once because I passed out during a duty roulette, was I mad.... no. I like the fact that the vote kick option is there instead of total duty abandon. I would feel really bad if the group had to abandon because I was extremely tired because of work. (I am a Law Enforcement Officer for RL Job and there are times where I try to grind a level or two before I go to sleep.)

[Matrix]

The worst part of the current vote-kick system is that, if the leader is a member of a premade group, they are given a powerful and violent weapon to kick anyone they dislike, without any reason.

First, member of any premade group should never be the party leader.
Second, vote-kick should only be available when the target has infringed certain rules for multiple times, such as AFK for 5 minutes, disconnected for 3+ times, etc.

Even the target is doing things such as harassment that deserves kick, the finder system is not a proper system for such punishment. It is like a court without proper judge/jury/lawyer and death penalty being issued on the spot. Who knows who is the real reason of a failure? Is the party leader always true about that? What if he is the actual reason and he blames it to someone else? Other members can be blind about this, you know.

[The_Last_Dragoon]

ALL THE CAPS

Wasn't this thread (or one like it) deleted by a moderator? I honestly can't remember who posted it, but they felt very opposed to the vote kick system as well. Also, if you didn't know, you can just edit your post instead of re-posting to get around the 1000 character limit. You should also

In response to your little outburst though, it seems like the reasons for you being kicked were:

1. I hate to speculate, but I'm pretty sure you were probably either not killing the bird adds or you were killing the eggs before they hatch and caused the boss to enrage. While a geared tank and healer would be able to deal with this problem, the healer you described definitely did not seem to be geared (This would explain your "smooth" second run). More than likely you were kicked because they assumed you were trying to make the dungeon more difficult for them. Either that or you argued with one of them and pissed them off.
2. You were definitely kicked because you were lacking dps. People hate Neverreap, and if your rotation isn't spotless, then they'll kick you for prolonging an already miserable dungeon.
3. You were kicked for going straight to the boss and pulling him. You then proceeded to solo said boss, forcing everyone to wait outside of the barrier. While some groups may prioritize just finishing the dungeon, that one obviously wanted to do a full clear w/cutscenes.

Besides the 3rd scenario, you do have two valid examples of where there was a selfish use of the vote kick. Unfortunately though, the system relies on these players being reported in-game in order for punishment to be carried out, so you will not witness any "justice" first-hand. I would also like to mention that I believe your first example is missing crucial information that would probably make the kick seem more justified.

Vote Kick can't be removed because it's an essential tool for removing afk, offline, or troublesome players without having to completely disband the group. Here are just a few examples of points where it distinctly warranted or required a kick:

• Copperbell Mines (Normal) Duty Finder tank was wearing a full set of crafting gear and was belligerent and offensive when asked about it. The player was obviously trying to spiritbond crafting gear in order to get materia and was expecting to be carried (pre-patch for soulbonding)
• Dzemael Darkhold (Normal) Duty Finder tank lacked his Paladin soulgem, was partly in casting gear, and made no effort to hold aggro. When confronted, he simply stopped tanking, saying that I should be kicked. After we kicked him, he then continued to instantly re-queue into our group and harass us (pre-patch for matchmaking)
• Pharos Sirius Tank wanted to be kicked 30 seconds after queuing for the dungeon. His reason was because no one said "hello" to him immediately and he didn't want to get a 30 min debuff for leaving the dungeon. We ended up clearing trash up to the first boss (10min in the chat log and then 10 min clearing) with him doing absolutely nothing before we kicked him and instantly got a replacement tank.
• Dzemael Darkhold healer refused to heal, saying that "he does way better dps." This forced the SMN in our group to heal me up until the section after the first boss where you no longer get the insane damage reduction buff. After wiping twice and having a bit of a spat over chat, he critiqued my tanking skills and then promptly said he was going to sit around until we kicked him.
• On more than one occasion, players have gone full afk after queuing for their Duty. This has started to happen a lot more frequently (I say frequently, but I rarely need to kick someone in the first place) now that not accepting a Duty that you've queued for when it pops has been patched to count against you and debuff you if it's been done too many times.
• Had a healer in Stone Vigil who simply didn't have their WHM soulcrystal and wasn't geared enough to heal the tank through even the adds. He was very receptive to our advice and with our instructions, we kicked him so that he could properly get his WHM job without incurring a 30min debuff and so that we could potentially finish the dungeon with a new healer.
• Had a BLM on Aurum Vale who was insistent on constantly pulling non-stop while I was tanking. It's not like we were waiting or anything either, and the party dealt with it until we reached the area after the second boss, and instead of waiting for the healer who was afk, he pulls again and wipes the group. The BLM ignored our cries to stop pulling and was therefore kicked for harassment.

If players cannot vote to kick a particularly (and probably purposely) problematic player, then you're basically forcing the unfortunate non-tank/heal classes to wait another 20 min just because the tank went AWOL and stopped tanking. The tank on the other hand would enjoy a short sip of the player's tears before getting his 30 second expert difficulty queue.

[Mikedizzy]

I have not had any major issues with being Vote kicked. It is weird that some people are having issues with this. In all my experience in the game I have only seen it used with thought out intention and I am a fan of the system and I think the majority of us are. I think there is something else going on here that you are not telling us. Either these people were trolling you or "something". All in all the system is good and should be kept the same.

[Marveth]

The worst part of the current vote-kick system is that, if the leader is a member of a premade group, they are given a powerful and violent weapon to kick anyone they dislike, without any reason.

Whoever is leader is unimportant during VOTE kick. Anyone can initiate it and you VOTE about the person being kicked or not.
This is true in all DF instances.
The issue is that it's enough with two people voting yes in a 4 man group instead of three as it should be.

[Nicobo]

Whoever is leader is unimportant during VOTE kick. Anyone can initiate it and you VOTE about the person being kicked or not.
This is true in all DF instances.
The issue is that it's enough with two people voting yes in a 4 man group instead of three as it should be.

Even a group is 4 man, but logically it would be 3ppl consider kicking 1ppl,
with that said, it would be a vote within 3ppl decision, as a result, 2ppl doesn't mean the half, it means 2/3 ^^;

[Nicobo]

The vote kick system needs some more transparency. It should show WHO initiates a vote kick...

It should not show who initiate a kick.
If it shows WHO initiates and the kick fails, it is predictable the first one being kick will then try to kick the initiator ^^;
As a result, most likely after the kick those ppl will start chat PvP and kick war, it will make the situation worse.

[ZombieProof]

There should be some additional logic to the kick system maybe.

For example if you kick someone DF will not pair you with that person again.
Some people do play the in-need jobs and abuse the system, cannot kick in combat etc.
Also a lot of people will click yes regardless to initiated what/why.