Adding Legacy Tattoo to Mog Station

[Mahv]

This entire thread, I believe, has made my point for me: when there is something, that was available for a short time, whether it was free, a reward, or purchased, that is no longer available to those who join after the fact, you get a schism in the community. You see elitists, hipsters, and outright jerks who believe they're better than others because they get special treatment and bonuses for when they played a game.

I'm not arguing the discounted subscription fee. If I had a problem paying my current fee, then I wouldn't be playing right now.

However, the in-game items, visible for all to see, can be a major discouragement for new players who find out that no matter how hard they work, no matter how much time and energy they put into the game, there is nothing they can do to match with the 'legacy' players - which then feeds the legacy ego. This leads to punishing them for whatever reason they were unable to play.

I was looking forward to trying 1.0. However, you don't know the situation I was in during that time: a move across the entirety of the US, a leaky RV to call home, a computer that could barely support solitaire, no internet, moving again, and having to take care of my elderly grandfather before watching him die. Now, I get to read threads like this where when someone asks SE to give others a chance to obtain those items, people essentially say 'sucks for you'.

We want a chance to see what you saw, to experience what you experienced. There is absolutely no reason, other than 'they don't want to', that they can't implement a questline allowing this through flashbacks, the Echo, or any other number of reasons. I am, and I know so many others are, willing to jump through hoops and break our backs to unlock and survive it through to the end. It's won't 'lessen' your own experiences, but it will perhaps straighten out you attitude in regards to newer, non-legacy players.

[Ryel]

exaggerations and unfortunate circumstances

Sorry, but giving the tattoo to newer players does not allow them to see what we saw, or experience the falling of Dalamud, no amount of youtube videos or lore bits will equal the in-game experience, this isn't a knock against anyone it just is what it is.

Also the game cannot create repeat quests etc because those assets and the world design are no longer in use (hence the entire point of it to begin with).

Adding a new means to obtain the legacy mark for players who were not there for the battle of Carteneau (or logged in during that period) however would essentially cheapen what the mark is intended to stand for, it's symbol both by in-game lore standards and by RL ones of players who were around at one of the most important parts of the game's history.

This isn't like seasonal events which are recurring each year and should always have the opportunity for players to obtain their items, this was for the closing down and subsequent rebirth of the entire game.

I'm sorry that it doesn't mesh with your RP or that you weren't there for it, and I'm sorry that there are players that would use it as a means to lord it over others, but there really is no reason why they should give this out for players that were not around when the event took place.

This is where someone will inevitably ask "How does it effect you?"

Handing them out now (by any means) would lead myself and many other players to question the integrity of both Yoshida and the development staff for going back on something that was expressed as only being obtainable during a limited time, along with the Dalamud Horn and the White Ravens these were all symbols of an old and now long passed age of the game.

I do however have no issue with players getting body tattoo options in the character creation if they wish, but the legacy mark (aka the Mark of the Twelve) holds significant lore importance to a period of the game.

[Mahv]

Arguing about special snowflake status being threatened.

Why not? Why can we not establish a flash-back sequence of dungeons and trials that allows those that missed out on the key points of the legacy story to experience it? It would then, logically, open up the avenue to justify a mark for those at the Battle of Carteneau, since you like to establish that it's such a lore-important facet of legacy characters. You keep reaffirming my opinion as to why this needs to be available to all players, not just the handful that happened to be around at a particular point in the game - thus making it little more than a seasonal event that has no way of repeating itself currently.

I don't want to buy the tattoo, or the chocobo, or anything all of you seem to think you 'deserve'. I want a chance to earn them, plain and simple. I want SE to know that myself, and so many others, want a chance to earn what we missed out on for whatever reason.

[Ryel]

Why not? Why can we not establish a flash-back sequence of dungeons and trials that allows those that missed out on the key points of the legacy story to experience it? It would then, logically, open up the avenue to justify a mark for those at the Battle of Carteneau, since you like to establish that it's such a lore-important facet of legacy characters. You keep reaffirming my opinion as to why this needs to be available to all players, not just the handful that happened to be around at a particular point in the game - thus making it little more than a seasonal event that has no way of repeating itself currently.

I don't want to buy the tattoo, or the chocobo, or anything all of you seem to think you 'deserve'. I want a chance to earn them, plain and simple. I want SE to know that myself, and so many others, want a chance to earn what we missed out on for whatever reason.

Because it was specifically advertised as otherwise.

You seem to want to play this up as some sort of special snowflake issue, but the simple fact is that it was advertised as a one time deal for a reason.

SE is far from the first company or organization to do this and they'll be far from the last, in this case it's not a matter of being "special" or denying other players the opportunity but rather it has everything to do with Yoshida and SE keeping their promise of how the mark was obtained and what it would stand for, for the lifetime of the game.

To me it sounds much more selfish and entitled to request them to take a step back because you personally felt you missed out by not being around when it was available as all the effort you want put into creating a series of flashback trials and dungeons to get something you weren't around for could be better spent on new content that both new and old players can enjoy benefits from.

Once again I'm sorry you missed out and it's unfortunate, but a promise from the Producer/Director and the company at large has to mean something if we're to continue to trust their words in the future.

[Dree-Elle]

Because it was specifically advertised as otherwise.

...a promise from the Producer/Director and the company at large has to mean something if we're to continue to trust their words in the future.

OK, you want to talk about *promises*? Why was I forced to wait THREE WHOLE YEARS to play the game, when SE *PROMISED* that it would be out on the PS3? And don't give me any of that "well it wouldn't run on a toaster like that"... HORSE HOCKEY.

There are *many* of us who *should* have been Legacy players, just like *you* all, but *our* promise was BROKEN.

Where's OUR compensation, hmm?

[Ryel]

OK, you want to talk about *promises*? Why was I forced to wait THREE WHOLE YEARS to play the game, when SE *PROMISED* that it would be out on the PS3? And don't give me any of that "well it wouldn't run on a toaster like that"... HORSE HOCKEY.

There are *many* of us who *should* have been Legacy players, just like *you* all, but *our* promise was BROKEN.

Where's OUR compensation, hmm?

You got a 2.0 Ps3 release, arguably one of the most controversial decisions made concerning the game (limitations etc), And I believe it was even issued with a public apology as well.

They could have chosen not to and just released it on Ps4/PC considering that the Ps3 was already at the end of it's life-cycle when 2.0 was released, However they specifically chose to release it on Ps3 because they promised it to ps3 players from the start.

And yeah.. as much as you want to deny it Ps3 would have had major issues trying to run 1.0 as there were many medium to low end PC users (with PCs that were more powerful than the Ps3) who were unable to run it at the time.

[seorin]

Once again I'm sorry you missed out and it's unfortunate, but a promise from the Producer/Director and the company at large has to mean something if we're to continue to trust their words in the future.

Wrong. There have been plenty of Kickstarter exclusives that later get opened up to a wider audience after the company asks their original backers and, almost every time, the backers say, "Yeah, go ahead, make this available to everybody. We support you!" There's no loss of trust and no drama, just mature adults supporting a company they love. It's unfortunate the "support" many legacy players like to lord over others doesn't extend past hoarding exclusive digital goodies for themselves.

[Ryel]

Wrong. There have been plenty of Kickstarter exclusives that later get opened up to a wider audience after the company asks their original backers and, almost every time, the backers say, "Yeah, go ahead, make this available to everybody. We support you!" There's no loss of trust and no drama, just mature adults supporting a company they love. It's unfortunate the "support" many legacy players like to lord over others doesn't extend past hoarding exclusive digital goodies for themselves.

And yet there are just as many companies that have done limited time promotions whether they be physical goods or digital, with plenty of consumers willing to respect their decision to do as such with the understanding that those goods would never be available again in the future.

They don't turn around and cry out at the people who were able to participate in those events or buy those goods by calling them names or insinuating that they're special snowflakes for having done so when they're reminded of the fact that the promotions were limited time only.

This isn't new or exclusive to SE, merchants have been doing this since the concept of trade, yet reading this thread and seeing players acting like they are specifically being punished is mind boggling.

It was for a limited time event and is no longer available, there are plenty of people wish to see it remain as such simply for no reason other than it was stated as being so

[Kowen]

You keep reaffirming my opinion as to why this needs to be available to all players, not just the handful that happened to be around at a particular point in the game - thus making it little more than a seasonal event that has no way of repeating itself currently.

It doesn't really have anything to do with the items or the lore.

They could add a flashback quest line, but the legacy perks themselves symbolize the fact that some players stuck around and supported the game when it was crappy and the future was uncertain.

It sucks that you weren't able to play 1.0 even though you wanted to, but it's not right to make those symbols of support available to everyone, regardless of how small they are.

[ApolloGenX]

It doesn't really have anything to do with the items or the lore.

They could add a flashback quest line, but the legacy perks themselves symbolize the fact that some players stuck around and supported the game when it was crappy and the future was uncertain.

It sucks that you weren't able to play 1.0 even though you wanted to, but it's not right to make those symbols of support available to everyone, regardless of how small they are.

Half the responses here don't even know what they are talking about. This wasn't in the "legacy entitlements" that people had to qualify for...it's really annoying.. especially since I have this silly thing and I am still having to explain to others who have no clue and just parrot or spout nonsense they are fed by others.

It's not an accomplishment, guys and girls. Creating a character is NOT an accomplishment.