Adding Legacy Tattoo to Mog Station

[DreameR7g]

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It doesn't have anything to do with money. I was wrong about that. However, it does have something to do with supporting the game. After all, you paid for a game which was sub par by simply buying it. Regardless of if it went free to play, it did have a subscription fee. Once XIV got terrible reviews did SE decide that it wasn't right to charge for the game at the state it was in.

SE then went out of their way to completely apologize to the fanbase which invested their time (and in certain aspects: money) into a game which was beneath the standards SE was trying to go for. The legacy tattoo is one of those apologies and also can be seen as a "thank you" for being around and still paying (and playing) a game which really didn't deserve our time or effort.

It doesn't make any logical sense why a person who wasn't there would earn such a marking. You may see it as a harmless trifle. But I don't and some others in this discussion agree with me.

At the end of the day, its just our viewpoints. If SE really wants to do it, they'll do it. It just will piss me off. XD

[Dhex]

Whether or not you played 1.0 does not have meaning or impact on the game it is.

Wrong. Yoshi-P and crew took over FFXIV as a title because they (Square Enix) saw that people were willing to stick with it and believed in the franchise. This is why they had so many closed Alpha tests that pulled Legacy players in, and why they gave all Legacy players priority for the closed, and open Beta sessions.

Playing, supporting, and paying for 1.0 made it possible for this game to be rebooted.

Don't give me this bologna about not understanding.

[Lexia]

...Whether or not you played 1.0 does not have meaning or impact on the game it is. I am a very strong supporter both with money and time into this game. I do not see a reason I should not be able to play the alternate timeline due to not knowing that 1.0 existed IRL. The mounts, the titles, and the 1.0 exclusive gear signified accomplishment. I am not trying to take that from you. An event tattoo that had nothing to do with money or support is something that I believe I should have the option to buy now with my current support of SE and the game, yes.

I do not understand why 1.0 players 'deserve' this now. Is it because you think they spent more money? ...

So as mentioned in early post SE should of just wiped everything and made everyone start new? Would that made people happy? If that happened this thread wouldn't even exist.

[Gemma]

This is actually pretty much how I feel. Whether or not you played 1.0 does not have meaning or impact on the game it is. I am a very strong supporter both with money and time into this game. I do not see a reason I should not be able to play the alternate timeline due to not knowing that 1.0 existed IRL.
I do not understand why 1.0 players 'deserve' this now.

Maybe because it was made for us? The tattoo is to show we survived the Calamity, YOU WERE NOT THERE, so therefore don't need the tattoo.
In your words, I don't care if you didn't know about 1.0 you snooze you lose =P

You say we sound like hipsters cause we want our tattoo to stay with us & not lose its meaning, well you sound like a little sibling who is throwing a tantrum cause big bro/sis got something special and its not fair you didn't get something lol.

Also let me repost something I posted in the beginning but got buried because I would LOVE it if you would reply, would be pretty entertaining actually:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...66#post3229466

Ok so your character was there hmm?
So can you tell me what Urianger told us when we first saw him and how he first appeared?
How about the first time we saw Dalamud and watched it grow, did you see that first hand or through screenshots?
Or the first time we saw the Lambs of Dalamud, do you remember where they showed up and where they took us?
Also I'm sure you remember When Nael Van Darnus first started showing up what he was offering us & what he was searching for.
(waits while you go look up what happened... >_>)

No matter how many videos you watched or posts you read online about what happened your character is not an Original Warrior of Light & and never got to truly experience what is was like to see this story unfold in front of you. By asking for the exact same tattoo you are pretty much saying we (the 1.0 players) don't deserve to show how we survived the Calamity & saved Eorzea. "Look to those who walked before, to lead those who walk after..."

What's wrong with having a different tattoo, why does it HAVE to be the Meteor one?
If you want to RP you were in 1.0 fine go ahead doesn't effect me any, but you want to have a mark that is suppose to identify players from 1.0 when you aren't one, no ask for another kind of tattoo.

Given the state of the servers, and the restrictions placed upon them, it seems SE could still use financial help to make the game better.

Also if you're talking about the restrictions on your server that has nothing to do with no money for servers, SE makes plenty of money off the stuff in the Mogstation as is. That restriction is there cause all the level 1 ERPers hanging out in Ul'dah Adventurers guild, RMT, and the fact that its a Legacy server that people made the "unofficial RP server" instead of spreading the population around on new servers

[Eul]

Please lock this thread, the request is really pointless. /thread

[Mahv]

This entire thread, I believe, has made my point for me: when there is something, that was available for a short time, whether it was free, a reward, or purchased, that is no longer available to those who join after the fact, you get a schism in the community. You see elitists, hipsters, and outright jerks who believe they're better than others because they get special treatment and bonuses for when they played a game.

I'm not arguing the discounted subscription fee. If I had a problem paying my current fee, then I wouldn't be playing right now.

However, the in-game items, visible for all to see, can be a major discouragement for new players who find out that no matter how hard they work, no matter how much time and energy they put into the game, there is nothing they can do to match with the 'legacy' players - which then feeds the legacy ego. This leads to punishing them for whatever reason they were unable to play.

I was looking forward to trying 1.0. However, you don't know the situation I was in during that time: a move across the entirety of the US, a leaky RV to call home, a computer that could barely support solitaire, no internet, moving again, and having to take care of my elderly grandfather before watching him die. Now, I get to read threads like this where when someone asks SE to give others a chance to obtain those items, people essentially say 'sucks for you'.

We want a chance to see what you saw, to experience what you experienced. There is absolutely no reason, other than 'they don't want to', that they can't implement a questline allowing this through flashbacks, the Echo, or any other number of reasons. I am, and I know so many others are, willing to jump through hoops and break our backs to unlock and survive it through to the end. It's won't 'lessen' your own experiences, but it will perhaps straighten out you attitude in regards to newer, non-legacy players.

[seorin]

it does not make me happy when ppl have the same thing as I do

The ugly truth behind 90% of the posts in this thread. It's the pure, selfish joy of having things other people don't. MMO players are such lovely people.

[Nicobo]

Just alter the symbol and called it A Tattoo Reborn, then give it to players who have paid their sub longers than the 1.0 period.

I believe eventaully it will be happened. Just not sure I will be there or not ^^;

[Ryel]

exaggerations and unfortunate circumstances

Sorry, but giving the tattoo to newer players does not allow them to see what we saw, or experience the falling of Dalamud, no amount of youtube videos or lore bits will equal the in-game experience, this isn't a knock against anyone it just is what it is.

Also the game cannot create repeat quests etc because those assets and the world design are no longer in use (hence the entire point of it to begin with).

Adding a new means to obtain the legacy mark for players who were not there for the battle of Carteneau (or logged in during that period) however would essentially cheapen what the mark is intended to stand for, it's symbol both by in-game lore standards and by RL ones of players who were around at one of the most important parts of the game's history.

This isn't like seasonal events which are recurring each year and should always have the opportunity for players to obtain their items, this was for the closing down and subsequent rebirth of the entire game.

I'm sorry that it doesn't mesh with your RP or that you weren't there for it, and I'm sorry that there are players that would use it as a means to lord it over others, but there really is no reason why they should give this out for players that were not around when the event took place.

This is where someone will inevitably ask "How does it effect you?"

Handing them out now (by any means) would lead myself and many other players to question the integrity of both Yoshida and the development staff for going back on something that was expressed as only being obtainable during a limited time, along with the Dalamud Horn and the White Ravens these were all symbols of an old and now long passed age of the game.

I do however have no issue with players getting body tattoo options in the character creation if they wish, but the legacy mark (aka the Mark of the Twelve) holds significant lore importance to a period of the game.

[Cedri]

I guess you all want your name in the original credits too for $200? Money doesn't buy you everything. Leave legacy alone. You are not one of us.