Punishing divas who jump ship before a dungeon even begins.

[Darra]

Well then, maybe you shouldn't use the feature that will randomly give you something you hate doing.
I enjoy DD, I also enjoy AV. Funnily enough, I like them as both tank and healer.
I always laugh at people who would rather eat a 30 minute lockout than complete a dungeon that takes 30~ minutes to complete at worst. Even with new people.

Good for you, thou who likes dungeons most people detest. As for your "30 minutes with newbies" comment, what tripe. I've ended up into an AV part way through after a tank quit and wiped repeatedly on the last boss until the time ran out (they weren't even first timers). I've also tanked Pharos, that we finished with about 15 seconds left on the timer, with me having to explain to the scholar what to dispell and when, and whom to heal and when because he/she was that bad. That's 90 minutes in a dungeon with 45+ of them on the last bloody boss. This is why people quit at the start, because some of you are just that bad you waste more of our time than we're willing to allow to be wasted.

You forum warriors need to realize that a person's time is more important to them, than their time ever will be to you. Stop expecting others to "suck it up" for your benefit. Some of us are sick of finding ourselves in the same dungeon time and again, because SE want to throw us back there to help you level class number 15. The age old excuse of "but but some dungeons just MUST be done or the story can't progress, so you must suffer in roulette for me!" doesn't wash any more with the undersized party option available.

If you really want this "problem" fixed, you should request these important story dungeons have their level caps removed, as default. Non-story dungeons, well, you could ask for the level cap to be removed on those too, rather than just "punish" those that don't want DZ/AV for the 20th time this month.

[Illya]

The obvious solution to people leaving Roulette is to only apply the daily bonus to the first dungeon or trial you queue into. If you queue in and leave, you forfeit your daily bonus. There, problem solved, no further punishments are ever needed.

[Amberyl]

The obvious solution to people leaving Roulette is to only apply the daily bonus to the first dungeon or trial you queue into. If you queue in and leave, you forfeit your daily bonus. There, problem solved, no further punishments are ever needed.

We've already at least one active topic on the board today, regarding the abuse of votekick, that proves how dysfunctional this would be.

[Amberyl]

If you really want this "problem" fixed, you should request these important story dungeons have their level caps removed, as default.

Not necessarily by default, but I'd certainly love an optional unsync Duty Finder option for the mandatory instances. We're at expansion one, with new jobs starting at 30th. There won't be existing subscribers with classes left low enough to run the ARR content at ilvl for much longer. That being said, you can't be in a situation where every time a new player enters an instance, it's flattened by a group of ilvl 2xx's. They'll learn nothing about their class, or the mechanics each instance is there to introduce them to.

You'd also need to have a faceroll Roulette to go with it, to get enough players in. Perhaps with lower rewards than the standard tome Roulettes, or something more glamour/novelty orientated as a carrot and stick, but I can see it working. Certainly a much less offensive option than being forced into an hour's bondage every evening, purely because Square doesn't know how to cope with customers that didn't jump on board the same time everyone else did. Having the Duty Finder as it is will only work as a solution to XI's problems for so long.

[Sylve]

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The tome bonus on Roulettes exists to reward max level players for taking the time to run older content. If the Tomes were not there, Would you do Roulette? Absolutely not. People won't do anything without being handed rewards.

Roulettes exist to reduce the queue times for older dungeons, So that newer players as well as those leveling a new job can expect to get into a dungeon in a reasonable time frame.
They didn't make roulettes expressly for you to have an easier time farming Tomes.

Also, congratulations, you had some bad runs. I've had bad runs too, In every single dungeon. From Sastasha to Neverreap. I sure as hells don't quit Fractal every time because occasionally i run into a group that takes 20 minutes to beat the final boss.

You forum warriors need to realize that a person's time is more important to them, than their time ever will be to you. Stop expecting others to "suck it up" for your benefit. Some of us are sick of finding ourselves in the same dungeon time and again, because SE want to throw us back there to help you level class number 15.

Except by hitting that Roulette button you literally just agreed to help someone level a new job or to get a newbie their first clear. Because thats what the roulette is for. The Tomes are a thankyou for doing that.

rather than just "punish" those that don't want DZ/AV for the 20th time this month.

But Fractal/Neverreap for the 20th time this month is perfectly fine? I've had as many crap runs in there as i ever did in DD or AV. Still don't quit out when i hit the one i don't enjoy so much.

As for your "30 minutes with newbies" comment, what tripe.

This makes me laugh. Yes, It is entirely possible to clear AV with new people in around 30 minutes. How you may ask? By not being an asshole, explaining mechanics clearly and being friendly.
New people generally are happy to listen to you if you're being polite and helpful.
"don't stand in the bad" is hardly good advice for Coincounter, and yet I've seen "Veterans" think that's plenty of advice for doing the boss for the first time.

Finally, if your time is so god damn important, why are you wasting it on a video game designed to waste your time? Your selfishness just cost 3 other people THEIR "precious" time.
But its fine in your head because "Well they might have been bad"

Ok. Fine. I won't try to change your mind, as i can see that can't happen. You are rather firmly set in your ways. I'll keep doing what I've been doing ever since i started.
We have our opinions on the matter, and we're not going to change it.

[Ryaz]

@Darra: You get 5 Eso tomes from leveling dungeons. Unless you're doing it for the XP, there's no reason to do the low level dungeons. Just do your Expert runs and you won't have to worry about getting into a lowbie dungeon. You're better off farming Alex over and over again at 10 tomes a piece and if you need Law tomes, you're still better off just running Expert multiple times. So if you don't like the lowbie dungeons and don't need the XP, then just don't do them.

And I'm not sure which people you're running with, but as I've been leveling my tank job, I've had a total of ONE bad group. It's not as rampant as people make it out to be.

[sirDarts]

But Fractal/Neverreap for the 20th time this month is perfectly fine? I've had as many crap runs in there as i ever did in DD or AV. Still don't quit out when i hit the one i don't enjoy so much.

While I agree with pretty much all you said, I can't agree with this.
THERE IS NO FRACTAL IN THE EXPERT ROULETTE! </rage>
I got Neverreap EVERY SINGLE DAY for the last week and a half! FUCK YOU SE! If I have to carry one more totem, I'm going to snap!

[Laerune]

The best way to solve this issue, is to make it so the player needs to finish the dungeon or else the same dungeon will only pop. A example, you do Trial Roulette, you get Steps. The player leaves the trial, before its over and they requeue. Then instead of another random trail, they get steps again. The only way to get out of the Steps loop, is to finish it once.

This way players are forced to finish it and they can not grief other players, because this will not get them any benefits at all.

[Felis]

It's fine as it is, if you like holding people hostage perhaps you should get into bondage.

Please don't turn it into a bondage game.
It is not this type of MMO.

[Amberyl]

Roulettes exist to reduce the queue times for older dungeons, So that newer players as well as those leveling a new job can expect to get into a dungeon in a reasonable time frame.

And that was a sensible solution to XI's wasteland-beginner-experience, and worked well at release +6 months. It still worked well at release +1 year, but was beginning to get tiresome. Now, it's just a dumb way of approaching the game, as is layering even more vertical gear progression, when the bottom end hasn't budged.

At some point, it makes sense just to have a cut off, and start from scratch. You can't be in a situation like XI where a new player is perhaps a year or so of grind behind cap. Nor can you have a situation where someone who's been playing the game for three years is still being asked to run lvl 15 Sastasha. You've gotta bite the bullet at some point.