Please increase the range of Helios & Aspected Helios to 20y in the next maintenance

[Cynfael]

Although I'm very much in favor of AST tweaks, I don't see this as being necessary.

Perhaps Aspected Helios in Diurnal could be justified in receiving a radius boost since it mimics Medica II, but the other versions of Helios I think are fine and in line with what the other healers have. Cooldowns and slightly more relevant card buffs are still my biggest concerns with the Job.

[Rewind]

Although I'm very much in favor of AST tweaks, I don't see this as being necessary.

Perhaps Aspected Helios in Diurnal could be justified in receiving a radius boost since it mimics Medica II, but the other versions of Helios I think are fine and in line with what the other healers have. Cooldowns and slightly more relevant card buffs are still my biggest concerns with the Job.

Card changes and cooldowns take time and balancing - though I advocate for these changes too. As mentioned in opening post this is a small change that won't unbalance the class and would provide some usefulness where AOE healing is a must (3/4 savage fights), and where AOE healing spread targets is a must (A1/A4 - i think arena size in A3 is quite small)

Most healer combos will roll Diurnal AST/SCH due to PIE/MND buffs on corresponding classes, and also partially because nocturnal stance is still broken. To have both healers with limited AOE heal range (succor also only 15y and also inefficient for spamming) on rooms with a large radius seems a bit gimped. There's really no reason that Aspected Helios (Diurnal) is limited to 15y. Maybe they could associate the y with being in diurnal or nocturnal stance if they wanted to get technical.

[mp-please]

There's really no reason that Aspected Helios (Diurnal) is limited to 15y.

There is one. A really big one and is called white mage, astrologian is a hybrid healer and so is fated to be weaker than the originals.

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There is one. A really big one and is called white mage, astrologian is a hybrid healer and so is fated to be weaker than the originals.

Do threads always have to include stuff like this? Let's keep this thread kind of positive? That would be great! There's no written rule that Hybrids need to be gimped. Things just need to be reworked/considered.

H Our cooldown area seems like it would be a better spot to get a look at first over increasing range of helios.

Yes, but as stated before, probably takes times to redesign cooldowns and re-balance. This would take no time and would not unbalance the class if you refer to reasoning in previous post. In my original title I thought of just suggesting Helios and/OR Aspected Helios. Would be fine with one or the other (though Aspected would make it on par with Media II). We shouldn't be worried about stepping on WHM toes. If anything with more sufficient/safety regen rolling both AST/WHM may find time to DPS.

Like I said - all for balance and buffs. But being realistic in, those things are long-term plans. Short term plans? Lets fix radius of an AoE heal.

[mp-please]

Do threads always have to include stuff like this? Let's keep this thread kind of positive? That would be great! There's no written rule that Hybrids need to be gimped. Things just need to be reworked/considered.

It has nothing to do with negativity, astrologian strength isn't on aoe healing, it's on their cards and their cards are a complete joke right now. That's what needs to be reworked.

On to the "hybrids need to be gimped", you're able to play 2 jobs at the same time by leveling 1, you're bound to never be able to perform as good as the originals, it's as simple as that. But if you're going to give astrologian crit shields (yes some ppl want this) and large aoes you're entering on the territory of jobs that focus their lives exclusively on that, and that steps on class identity and balance.

Once again, people need to stop and remember they're playing astrologian, not white mage, not scholar. Focus on your class identity instead of wanting what other classes have mainly when 80% of astrologian healing skills are a straight bootleg version of certain whm skills.

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It has nothing to do with negativity, astrologian strength isn't on aoe healing, it's on their cards and their cards are a complete joke right now. That's what needs to be reworked. On to the "hybrids need to be gimped", you're able to play 2 jobs at the same time by leveling 1, you're bound to never be able to perform as good as the originals,

This logic is not correct.

See Reference
Bard - Dps/support hybrid
Arcanist) Where you literally level 2 jobs at one time, an both can still hold their own.


AST has potential, skills need to be reworked but to automatically rule out "astrologians stength isn't on aoe healing" is a bit rash. The potency of AST's AOE heals are fine - they just the need the reach (literally) that other AoE heal spells currently have. Maybe they should boost it to 25y just so its 'unique'.

As stated 3x in this thread - yes cards need to be reworked but that takes time - Let's do some quick fixes to make the class more manageable and fix those class specific, balancing abilities come 3.1


Edit;

And it's not entirely about mimicing what WHM does - It's about improving QoL for AST. So that less time can be spent worrying about positionals and more time managing other things such as card draws, mana etc. The whole picture rather than just this singular ability.

[mp-please]

Arcanist Where you literally level 2 jobs at one time, an both can still hold their own.

SCH and SMN do not share gear and cannot be changed on a whim between fights, it's even worse now that esoterics promote a main class so those who main smn won't be at the same ilv as those who main sch and vice versa. Meanwhile astrologian can literally prebuff the party with shielding and then swap to diurnal and place a HoT on everyone at the start of the pull.

Bard - Dps/support hybrid

That only means they have support skills for the party such as foe and TP/MP songs and that they're not required to stay focused on boss due them being ranged and having more mobility than melee dps in general to do mechanics (t12 red fires for example), not that they're hybrids, astrologian is pretty much the very 1st hybrid class added to XIV, maybe red mage will be another disaster.

So that less time can be spent worrying about positionals and more time managing other things such as card draws, mana etc. The whole picture rather than just this singular ability.

LA, every single card skills and even helios together with LS can be used while moving. Positionals are the least of astrologian concerns, i'll be damned if astrologian isn't the most mobile healer of all 3, positionals are definitely not a factor at all.

[Tyla_Esmeraude]

It has nothing to do with negativity, astrologian strength isn't on aoe healing, it's on their cards and their cards are a complete joke right now. That's what needs to be reworked.

AST is a healer first, buffer second. Hybrid healer just doesn't work with the way the game is setup (trinity). We do have 2 stances that work very very similarly to WHM and SCH so, increasing the radius on diurnal stance to the like of medica II makes sense. If anything, the cards need to affect the heals directly, right now they are not synergized at all. Just because we have 2 stances doesn't make us powerful mainly because we can't switch between them midfight. So really.

[Alu79]

There is one. A really big one and is called white mage, astrologian is a hybrid healer and so is fated to be weaker than the originals.

This is such a dumb response.. they (SE) don't have that big an issue making some things better than what whm/sch get in a few cases, look at the heal potency of CU which is the astro equiv to Asylum. It has a heal potency of 200 vs Asylums 100 potency. So there is def room for improvement over sch/whm if they decide to go that direction for some skills.

[mp-please]

This is such a dumb response.. they (SE) don't have that big an issue making some things better than what whm/sch get in a few cases, look at the heal potency of CU which is the astro equiv to Asylum. It has a heal potency of 200 vs Asylums 100 potency. So there is def room for improvement over sch/whm if they decide to go that direction for some skills.

Yes, let's forget asylum is a cast and forget skill and CU needs the caster to stand immobile and do nothing for 18 seconds for the full effect. Lets also forget regen and medica II exist.

edit : let's also forget divine seal exists.