Suggestion - Increase PLD Healing Support, not Dps

[Reynhart]

Lol that dps drop will make PLD the worst tank to get in 4 man roulettes.

That's so narrow-minded I don't know where to start to explain how wrong you are...

I'll try...
First, a sturdier PLD will allow the healer to be full DPSing, especially if, like I suggested, the "lesser" healer would be adjusted to be an efficient backup-DPS and you ended with that healer.
Second, the most time you spend in dungeons are not bosses but trash pull, and PLD already don't do much damage on trash pull since it tanks with Flash, so it wouldn't change that much.
Third, why do people keep thinking "fastest" equals "best" ?

You were quick to dismiss my knowledge of healing but I'm really starting to wonder if you know anything about playing PLD...

[NFaelivrin]

Clemency would probably work better as a weaker but faster and cheaper cure spell, instead of it being a cure 2, let it be a cure, reduce MP cost to 1414, cast time to 2 seconds and healing potency to 800. You'd end up overhealing significantly less, be able to use clemency more often, and spend less time doing 0 dps during your casts.

[winsock]

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A healer does nearly full dps as is in the roulettes. PLD would need to be a less effective healer than AST, who already has issues getting into performed parties for more difficult content. Where are you thinking the PLD becomes useful again?

Assuming 2 runs of the same content, how would you determine which run is better?

You were quick to dismiss my knowledge of healing but I'm really starting to wonder if you know anything about playing PLD...

I might be a little worried... if we were actually discussing "playing PLD" at all. But we're talking about the healing role, and your ridiculous idea of PLD replacing a healer.

You don't understand the healing role or the implications of what you're asking.

[Reynhart]

Assuming 2 runs of the same content, how would you determine which run is better?

That's a really vague question, but I'll make an example.

Let's take one run on any dungeon where the tank pulls the whole pack of mobs, dies along one of the DPS, warp back to entrance while the rest of the groupe kills the pack in 2 minutes. Then, the first boss is killed in 1 minute but the tank was kept at most 30% HP during the whole fight. Second part, another pack takes 2 minutes, one DPS dies and warp back, then the second boss, killed by the DPS in 2 minutes, while the tank, in DPS stance, dies and was stuck out of the arena. Last pack, 2 minutes, no death, and last boss, 2 minutes two, with the healer dead and the tank forced to use its "oh, shit" button.
Summary : 11 minutes run, 5 death and one "oh,shit" moment

Another run, same content. The tank pulls half the pack, killed in 2 minutes without death, then the rest of the pack, killed in 1 minute, still no death. First boss, killed in 2 minutes, no danger here cause the healer was only focused on healing. Second part, pack spli in two again for a total time of 4 minutes with no death. Second boss, killed in 3 minutes with a safe tanking and healing. Last pack, with several pulls, killed in 3 minutes. Last boss, a little more risky, killed in 2 minutes, with the healer dead and the same oh,shit button as the first group.
Summary : 17 minutes run, 1 death and one "oh,shit" moment

For me, the second run was MUCH better than the first. For most people, those 6 minutes added are a proof of absolute crap.

I might be a little worried... if we were actually discussing "playing PLD" at all.

So maybe you'd avoid proving how PLD is the "worst" tank by having the weakest DPS.

But we're talking about the healing role, and your ridiculous idea of PLD replacing a healer.
You don't understand the healing role or the implications of what you're asking.

Yet I'm the only one of us to point how playing a healer is far more than having one potent single target spell and how a party would still need one to be able to survive.
But I don't know, maybe you play WHM only by spamming single target heals...that'd explain why you're so afraid of PLD taking your spot...

[Xaenith]

If paladin had an AoE heal with a decent potency and no cast time on like a 50 second it so cooldown that would be pretty sweet. It wouldn't be a waste either because heals generate a lot of enmity anyways.

Their spells with cast time are basically useless because you are the tank. You're gonna get interrupted and then you just wasted time...

Whatever happened to combat casting? Clerics and Paladins in ADD and a lot of derivative games have this trait so there spells won't be interrupted while getting hit. Paladin could really use something like this.

I agree with the general premise though of buffing paladin's healing abilities since they *do* have CNJ as a secondary class. As it stands right now their heals are pretty much garbage.

[winsock]

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I love how you talk about speed not being everything, while crying that PLD isn't currently balanced because WAR is a viable tank and has more dps.

Also, where does your proposal "fix" PLD? Your proposal makes it the worst tank for dungeon roulettes. You need to be a poorer healer than AST to be balanced, but AST struggles to get into endgame groups, so you won't be replacing a healer there.

[Reynhart]

I love how you talk about speed not being everything, while crying that PLD isn't currently balanced because WAR is a viable tank and has more dps.

Yes, you could love since this is the exact same issue for both.

It's because everyonne focus on fast fast fast /clap
But it's also because PLD doesn't offer anything significant over WAR...but I'm tired of explaining the same thing over and over in multiple threads.

[winsock]

But it's also because PLD doesn't offer anything significant over WAR...but I'm tired of explaining the same thing over and over in multiple threads.

How does your "solution" fix this "problem"?
If you believe PLD to be the worst dungeon runner, you'd just be making it worst. In parties created for more difficult content, you won't be replacing healer and would be even less useful as a tank. Your "solution" doesn't make PLD better, it just makes balance worse.