Something need to be done about BAD DPS.

[ShaneDawn]

3. Snap parser.
4. Snip criticism

You can use a mini parser on the actual game window to see the numbers real-time. Or does full-screen somehow mess that up?

Most people who genuinely bash others for their dps are just slightly-above average tryhards that push others down to fell better about their dps. Most actual good players I know are very helpful in general, and while they may notice someone lacking in dps, the feedback is constructive rather than bashing.

[Rita1989]

Was leveling SCH in Library and with 2 lvl 60 DPS DRG and MNK dungeon took over 40 Minutes dont know much about monk but tried helping the DRG out whose was only using Heavy Trust and Full Trust combo or spamming Ring of Thorns and were not using BotD, no cooldowns besides Keen Flurry(lol), no jumps and no DoT tried to explain what they should be doing and they did somewhat for 1 fight then went back to what they were doing before.

[Jim_Berry]

How about a damage summary at the end of an instance? That way at least people would know if they're doing poorly.

Wouldn't really help since there are different things going on with different instances. While I'm attacking this A.I., my fellow NPC is already damaging the other. All in all, the bulk of the community has a complaint about DPS. I was a victim 2 years ago when I was BRD main. I would be Number 2 or 3 on the hate list (depending on content and how many tanks we have), but the parse people would still say my damage was the lowest.

I found later that when some say I did good and some say I did bad, it was because some calculated the ticks from my dots while other parsers only counted the damage from the initial hit of my dot and not the ticks. That, coupled with them wanting me to keep damage high while I had to use both Ballad and Paeon made me ill. I wore myself out because I would press my buttons harder and faster thinking that would help push my dps numbers lol...

I'm a NIN now that I have a casual attitude about the game moving forward. As much as I play, I am only 52. Back then, I pushed for max job Level. At the same time, I try to take content serious when I DO decide to queue up for something. I even quit for two months a while ago because I refused to deal with the negative discussions.

One day, I saw a group looking for a DPS, so I asked if I can join. He said to hold on. An FC buddy told me that the group was discussing if I should be allowed or not due to my low DPS as BRD and no TeamSpeak access since he was in one of their linkshells. I ended up joining another group and cleared the content with no wipes because it was that I knew the fight itself; they had people who didnt't know the fight nor had voice communication.

I love playing this game but it makes me really sad when I read DPS, DPS, DPS all day considering I'm one myself. My thing is, why create a PF? If you are hesitant about if DPS can clear the checks, why not run with the people you been clearing with? I seen a PF party for Ravana EX farm where the leader wanted DPS to be iLv180 and a sustained about of dps. Farming under certain conditions make you NOT want to farm, because if you are ~100 under what HE want you to be, you're booted.

[Treble]

Ya know, in most other skill based games I've played (mostly mobas and RTS's), we always had these adopt a newbie programs we did. Experienced players would post that they were willing to work with low lvl players in a topic kept up by the player who starts it, and new players would post in those topics with their roles or races, skill levels, learning goals, how to contact them, and request help. Then experienced players would hit them up, and they'd work together to improve.

Some mentors would take on 2-3 students at a time bcak in games like Starcraft 2 and Heroes in particular. Made it easier to teach them having them spar against each other to put their new teachings into action.

I mention this because with the way combat has evolved in this game to be more complex (pretty skill based for some jobs especially imo! impressively skill based!) that maybe it's time we started a similar program. Someone would make a formal post talking about adopting new players who would like to learn the game but don't learn well from reading web pages or watchin vids, and place it under general discussion here.

Then we'd ask a mod to pin it up, and we'd take that pinned topic and spread it through all the facebook groups and ask them to pin it as well.

We could even advertise links for it in game if we felt like it to alert newer high lvl (50-60) players to its existance!

And the new players would post asking for help in it, and a mentor would contact them and start talking to them and training them and helping them with their FF14 combat experience.



Imo, this is a much better method then hoping for the devs to solve the issue for us, when in reality for them to solve it would be expensive and complex and probably only 30% effective at best. We as a community should take matters into our own hands if we desire a change, and help make that change a reality.

Anyone else agree and would want to try doing something like this?

*edit*

I'm gonna make a new post about this actually. See if it gains any traction amongst the community.

[LoliNekoAmaya666]

no nothing needs to be done expect removal of elitist pricks if you want a perfect party create it in party finder and then join simple as that..

as for that I refuse to use garuda because Ifrit is my more preferred and people get angry and hating cuz i play the way i want ... if people want a elitist game go to wow please ^_^

[sirDarts]

no nothing needs to be done expect removal of elitist pricks if you want a perfect party create it in party finder and then join simple as that..

as for that I refuse to use garuda because Ifrit is my more preferred and people get angry and hating cuz i play the way i want ... if people want a elitist game go to wow please ^_^

You people really need to learn to read.

IT'S NOT about perfect DPS! Nor about perfect party! It's about some DPS doing less damage than the Tank or even the healer, it's about such DPS joining a party for content with hard DPS checks and not being able to clear because of them!

As was already said many times, as long as content is getting cleared, most people don't care (and those that do are just assholes anyways).
But how are DPS supposed to know that their contribution won't be enough for harder content? They can't see their DPS, they can't compare their DPS with someone else's, they CAN'T know their rotation is terribad. And that IS a problem.
Tanks and Healers figure out VERY quickly that they need to perform, or the party wipes. DPS? Pretty much never.

[NovaLevossida]

How about a damage summary at the end of an instance? That way at least people would know if they're doing poorly.

I'd like that. Probably wouldn't help, but that was the best part of Destiny for me, seeing how people stacked up after a mission was over.

[Adventica6]

Putting hard dps checks in with no way to measure your dps to other peoples dps is pretty bad design.

Wanna know what's worse than that? no official response on 36 pages to acknowledge that they have a horrible design flaw.

Don't want to put in damage meters? Then remove the dps checks. You don't get one without the other ( outside parsers not everyone can use, playstation etc).

And this length in the thread the least you can do is admit you have a design flaw.

[White_Wolf_X]

@Adventica6, agreed.
Giving fights a "dps check" without giving dps a way to see they damage/dps is a bad design, ofc in many fights you can't just stand and dps but still if we had a dps meter or something it would give the player an idea of how much dps they can push out IF they don't have to move from aoes etc.
So all i can say is blame square..

[cgbspender]

I'm gonna make a new post about this actually. See if it gains any traction amongst the community.

Full approval +++. Link to the new thread please ?