Vote-kicked for explaining 1st-timer tactics and having impatients get what's coming

[OJ191]

If they want to play it and go in blind, they can just go in blind and not ask for explanations.

Wanting explanations then choosing to hold the group up by making them explain instead of getting your explanations from a video is a completely pointless waste of everyone's time.

Getting explanations from a player =/= playing content over watching it. Both that and watching a video are watching people explain to you. One just wastes time of the group, while the other does not.

Not quite what I meant.

I (and hopefully most people) don't expect a breakdown of the whole fight but I would like to be warned of particularly obscure or dangerous mechanics beforehand - and ask as much.

For example landslide while extremely obvious, is quite a quick cast which is even worse if you have ping, and instantly knocks you out for the rest of the fight - unraisable. Nobody warned me despite my having stated that I was new and having the new player flag, and then I got to sit out the entire fight unable to even see what was going on let alone actually participate and enjoy myself.

Now if we were ALL new that would be fine, they'd almost certainly wipe and we'd learn better.

But because it was 3 high level experienced players they just carried on without me and I missed out. If they had given warning in advance of that mechanic I would have known what to look out for and (hopefully) not get punted out of the arena in the first ~minute or so of the fight!




EDIT: Apparently I reached some kind of post limit

If you watched a video that didn't mention landslide could knock you out of the fight, it was a bad video lol.

I generally suggest Mr.Happy videos. He goes over every little mechanic in fights in detail. MTQCapture is good too but misses some things sometimes.

Either option is better than having to explain things on the fly. A lot of people need study time, and getting explanations in dungeons doesn't give you much of that.

Kudos to you for not going in blind but explanation wanting at least. But I'll suggest Happy's videos for you if you like to be 100% informed before going in. He almost never misses any mechanic explanations at all, even lesser known or unimportant mechanics.

You'd be surprised though, a lot of people do go in blind but want explanations. It really gets old after a while -.- even though I do oblige and explain, I'd still rather people at least attempt to be informed before going in if they do want to know mechanics. Unless they want to do a completely blind run, if that's their thing then whatever.

To clarify, I do go in blind but asking for warning of particularly harsh or obscure mechanics. But that's hardly anything at least so far.

The only mechanic I'd really have wanted warning of so far in all the trials and dungeons I've done would be landslide, because of the whole "get hit once and you're out for good" aspect. Doom plates and final sting come close, but they're pretty easy to figure out even if it takes a wipe to realise what's going on.

I like figuring out mechanics but being instantly knocked out of the arena and having the party complete it without even getting to see 95% of the fight is just lame.

[Adire]

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If you watched a video that didn't mention landslide could knock you out of the fight, it was a bad video lol.

I generally suggest Mr.Happy videos. He goes over every little mechanic in fights in detail. MTQCapture is good too but misses some things sometimes.

Either option is better than having to explain things on the fly. A lot of people need study time, and getting explanations in dungeons doesn't give you much of that.

Kudos to you for not going in blind but explanation wanting at least. But I'll suggest Happy's videos for you if you like to be 100% informed before going in. He almost never misses any mechanic explanations at all, even lesser known or unimportant mechanics.

You'd be surprised though, a lot of people do go in blind but want explanations. It really gets old after a while -.- even though I do oblige and explain, I'd still rather people at least attempt to be informed before going in if they do want to know mechanics. Unless they want to do a completely blind run, if that's their thing then whatever.

[Fynlar]

When it comes to explaining mechanics for fights, I tend to keep my explanations in line with how tricky a fight is (basically speaking, the more likely I think a newbie is to die to something, the more in-depth I'll get about it)

[elemental10]

You know what grinds my gears?

"Okay this fight is a total mess. I did it once with cousin's little brother's nephew who got shot in the leg once for robbery. She got in county for 24 hours but we paid the cops LOL. Anyways, she's fine. About the dungeon, the boss is a tough crap, keeps on doing aoe stuff so dodge a lot LOL or you die. Someone has to get the rocks (or crystal or whatever) and drop in the sand. I don't know when though but I did it like a long time ago when my brother was looking over my shoulder (he's a bit of a perv to tell you the truth) and I went in as healer to heal. I was bad at healing so we wiped a couple of times LULzzzz... Anyways, healer has to get the rocks and put it in front of the worm (i think?) and there would be adds.)

That all can be shorten to:

(Healer gets the crystal and put in on sand when worm search for fodder. Kill adds.)

They go ON AND ON AND ON AND ON... only to point out a couple of things. It's such a waste of time and the newbie will probably be like "What the heck is this guy saying?" and be more confused than before.

Newbie? Explain briefly and make compact. The Steps of Faith gets me everytime (amount up to 10 minutes for someone to explain it when I can do in 1 .)

"One healer, one tank on cannons please. One DPS has to get up tower and fire dragonkiller. MT take adds towards the front of boss and cannons kill them. DPS, go DPS on boss only."

As the rest of the fight, I explain how to fire the dragonkiller and the snare mechanics.

tl;dr Don't take too much time explaining. Use fewer words.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

The best way to learn a fight is to do it without explaining anything and let him learn himself.

[CrimsonThunder]

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Far be it from people to add a little humanity to chat, do you not like talking to people or something?

[Fynlar]

The best way to learn a fight is to do it without explaining anything and let him learn himself.

You know, that's the same approach a lot of people take nowadays in Castrum Meridianum runs with the cannons.

You know what that resulted in? A lot of painful Stone Vigil HM and Steps of Faith runs (and nowadays, probably add Alexander T2 runs to that) with people who are absolutely clueless on how to use the cannons.

Your approach would have some merit if it was shown to actually work well. In practice though, I don't really think it does, at least not with all sorts of "trial and error" encounters in this game.

[silentdevo]

The best way to learn a fight is to do it without explaining anything and let him learn himself.

nope, your dealing with not only peoples time, but emotions, by explaining a fight or certain mechanic, your saying "hey this kills people has killed people, watch out for this, if you do die, you now have heard a typed explanation and observed the mechanic you'll get it next time, dont sweat it", this will help them learn a lot more efficiently. Using your logic, not only will the new person lose confidence, which can have a snowball effect, you can have other party members start bickering with that new person, once bickering and attitudes get involved, cohesion goes out the window, and anyone that knows shit about the real world, will tell you cohesion, and teamwork get shit done

[Nektulos-Tuor]

nope, your dealing with not only peoples time, but emotions, by explaining a fight or certain mechanic, your saying "hey this kills people has killed people, watch out for this, if you do die, you now have heard a typed explanation and observed the mechanic you'll get it next time, dont sweat it", this will help them learn a lot more efficiently. Using your logic, not only will the new person lose confidence, which can have a snowball effect, you can have other party members start bickering with that new person, once bickering and attitudes get involved, cohesion goes out the window, and anyone that knows shit about the real world, will tell you cohesion, and teamwork get shit done

That is because you played games like WoW where your used to watching youtube. However if you never say anything that player gets used to watching his environment. Thus he teaches himself, that is how you played Everquest. I learned every fight in the game without watching a video or asking for help. It is pretty easy to just do that.

Adaptability is a skill more people need to learn.

[Adventica6]

People just want to be silent robots and they hate it when text appears in the party chat, here's an idea, vote kick them first? it only takes 2 votes. Fixed.