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  1. #371
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    Tatsu Masumi
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    I've been tempted to give blm a shot. After leveling my smn to 60. I felt doing good dps was a little to easy. I ramped up to 1k pretty quickly without looking up any guides.
    Blm seems more interesting but idk it just seems like if you don't play it 100% optimally your dps is just garbage. Buuuut it looks so much cooler :0 is it a job that if a mistake is made still pulls ok numbers?
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  2. #372
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    Fara Venator
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drtoxicmedica View Post
    is it a job that if a mistake is made still pulls ok numbers?
    Depend what your standard of ok number is, losing enochian alone is a big dps loss. Not counting losing astral fire, canceling cast for mispositioning yourself or not managing cooldowns correctly
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  3. #373
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    Tatsu Masumi
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    Quote Originally Posted by hallena View Post
    Depend what your standard of ok number is, losing enochian alone is a big dps loss. Not counting losing astral fire, canceling cast for mispositioning yourself or not managing cooldowns correctly
    Like if I mess up a rotation once will that drop me like 100 or so dps just from a single mistake or is there room for error? Tanking is my main for savage level stuff so this would be for extreme primal type fights not min max progression content but would still like to pull ok numbers and not be a drag
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  4. #374
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    Lavitz Bale
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    Quote Originally Posted by OneWingedSora View Post
    Reporting no misses at 531 accuracy on A3S, 3 misses at 523 so accuracy cap is probably somewhere in between.
    I tried 523 as well and had some misses, same with 526. The next lowest I've been able to get is 537 and I didn't get any misses, but it sounds like the cap could be 530 for A3S.
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  5. #375
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    Niryco Elysrit
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    Arcanist Lv 70
    Ohiao, I am abit nervous to discuss this but I have a rotation that I recently worked out to try and squeeze in 7 fire IV and 8 before the first refresh if your spell speed and piety are high enough.

    Stats : 262 piety and 678 spell speed.
    286 piety and 708 spell speed with HQ hot chocolate.

    The rotation is : Swiftcast + leylines -> fire I -> Enochian + raging strikes -> Fire IV -> sharp cast + fire I -> Fire IV X3 -> Firestarter + convert -> FIV X3 -> transpose/bliz III -> Bliz IV.

    I have only attempted this rotation at least 4 times on a dummy and once on faust.
    The conditions that were tested :

    Trial 1 : Nothing(food or other buffs).
    Trial 1 Outcome: I am only able to hit the 6th fire IV while lacking 800mana for the 7th.

    Trial 2 : partied an AST (level 30) that provided ewer buff.
    Trial 2 Outcome: i was able to get the 7th fire IV out but i couldn't refresh as i didn't think to transpose and lost enochian.

    Trial 3 : Partied another AST (level 60) that provided enhanced ewer buff (potency) and i ate a HQ Hot Chocolate.
    Trial 3 Outcome: I was about to get the 7th fire IV out and managed to refresh with a remaining ~3000 mana but 1 second left on the enochian before bliz IV refresh.

    Trial 4 : with HQ hot chocolate.
    Trial 4 Outcome: I was able to get till a 7th fire IV but wasn't able to refresh because i had to wait for a mana tick.

    Faust attempt (normal A1) no piety buff but with hot chocolate, since i had to rebound my keys for the trials to be a faster press but reverted them back to their original location, i almost let out the 7th FIV but enochian fell.

    Although when i checked the battle log for the number of FIV it seems off, like there were less FIVs, it could be due to me clicking the skills too fast that i missed out during the initial trials. Also i can't afford another HQ hot chocolate ;_; those things are expensive so i stopped trying. Not to mention i need to find a AST willing to help, both AST had to leave after 1 attempt due to other matters.

    I am not sure if the piety buff + HQ hot chocolate is enough to pull off an 8th FIV nor do i know of the spell speed that can give me more room to push it either. I admit that i need to practice more one this rotation to perfect it but before i do i would like if anyone can parse this for me since i lack one.

    I am not sure if using fire IV during AF1 and AF 2 phases can give a dps gain compared to Aakial's current rotation and not to mention it is alot more tight on time and spell speed. I also don't have a potion of int, I guess i am not rich enough to afford such luxuries ;_;. Thank you to anyone who reads this and helps.

    PS: another added benefit of this rotation is that the first fire has a high chance to proc fire starter( proced at least 3 times out of my 4 trials also proced on faust), the problem i have is knowing when to use the starter without comprising the time or the sharp fire after the first Fire IV. If anyone is willing to help i would much appreciate it.

    PSS: The original rotation i attempted to use is to swiftcast + leylines -> Fire III -> raging + eno -> Fire IV -> sharp fire -> Fire IV X 3 -> firestarter + convert -> Fire IV X 2 -> bliz III -> bliz IV. the thing about this rotation that lead me to try out this new one is the fact that i always started having 10 to 12 seconds free on my enochian once i was done with the 6th fire IV and had a good ~ 1000 mana once bliz III starts casting. So i decided to use a more progressive approach to reach more FIVs, thought how much of this rotation is actually better i don't actually know honestly.
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    Last edited by Niryco; 08-07-2015 at 06:10 PM.

  6. #376
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    Waliel Hla
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    Quote Originally Posted by Niryco View Post
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    That opener you suggested is 44 potency more -- or 124 potency less if you can't B3 -- at the B4 mark than the current standard opener (ignoring Eno and RS bonuses because lazy), but it's longer and requires a special setup, and you can't fit a pot in there. I don't think we have to worry about fitting more F4 in the opener before we can get a lot more SS on our gear. There is also no added benefit of the first F1 having high chance of proccing FS, as it's still the normal 40%. You just got lucky is all.
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  7. #377
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waliel View Post
    That opener you suggested is 44 potency more -- or 124 potency less if you can't B3 -- at the B4 mark than the current standard opener (ignoring Eno and RS bonuses because lazy), but it's longer and requires a special setup, and you can't fit a pot in there. I don't think we have to worry about fitting more F4 in the opener before we can get a lot more SS on our gear. There is also no added benefit of the first F1 having high chance of proccing FS, as it's still the normal 40%. You just got lucky is all.
    So in theory it is 44 potency more for about 6 more seconds? Doesn't sound like much of a gain.
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  8. #378
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    Aikaal Leyma
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    Not to mention you'll have to sacrifice main stat which is worth even more now. I don't see any gain for making the rotation longer since you'll rotate Enochian 3 times before using the CD again. You are actually better stacking Spell Speed to reduce that time to 1 minute with 3 rotation so extra Fire IVs will probably not work.

    Well, it's worth to see but I'm not investing in it.
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  9. #379
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    Alixander Fey
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    Quote Originally Posted by Niryco View Post
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    Just an aside: Don't be nervous about sharing your ideas, you know? Even if it turns out that others don't agree the rotation is optimal, it was probably fun to put the work into it as an experiment. Furthermore, experiments like this are what lead to the community as a whole finding new ways to play their class. Experimenting and sharing your findings with the community is always worthwhile.
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  10. #380
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    Aikaal Leyma
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    Not my best run and bard died but it's better than nothing.

    A3S

    Most-likely didn't optimized last phase DPS.
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