Paladin need to be review.

[Evergrey]

Well PLD is designed as the more Defensive tank of them all. Flash - blind = less chance to get hit by = more HP.
While WAR and DRK are designed as more Offensive tanks.
Play a WAR or DRK if you want to do that little extra, because I doubt Flash will get a change anytime soon and might just be easier to play something else then complain for who knows how long.

[Peekachu33]

PLD is the most finely tuned tank in the game, with the most utility and defensive options. HW gave the class offensive options, too. I'd rather they don't muck around with near perfection. What is troubling is this community's infatuation with DPS and parsers for non DPS roles. The game is like one step away from being a trainwreck like DCUO, which is the poster child for DPS obsession and how that can poison a game. People aren't clearing harder content because it's tuned for i190ish+. Period. The game will balance out as the gap between gear and balancing closes.

[Pr0c3ss0r]

No worry on that Evergrey, people already giving up with PLD since Savage A2. Blind is not working in raid, while OverPower still deal DMG in raid.

If Flash was working as intended, i would not even discuss about this, as it would make sense that PLD take less dmg due to blind effect, but this is not even the case. (unless we talking about lol-dungeon, well yes then flash is working as intended)

The game is like one step away from being a trainwreck like DCUO, which is the poster child for DPS obsession and how that can poison a game. People aren't clearing harder content because it's tuned for i190ish+. Period. The game will balance out as the gap between gear and balancing closes.

Savage require a huge DPS check, is not an obsession from me, but a requirement designed by Yoshi/DEV. I would rather love to see more complex mechanic and less DPS brick-wall in FF14.

I am sorry to tell you, but at i210 PLD flash still going to do 0 DPS, and still be resisted.

[Adventica6]

Clemancy is supposed to be used when you have breathing room to cast it not when you are being auto attacked at a very fast pace... any pld already knows this.

ok that problem is out of the way, next one,

Flash is supposed to be used to generate initial enmity on mobs, not to be used over and over and over, that's what your enmity combo is for..

ok that problem is out of the way, next one,

Aoe Dmg: paladins aren't meant to do heavy dmg, St or Aoe, they do acceptable dmg St and that's it, you have way more tanking cooldowns than the other tanks so you don't get to do all the dmg also.

have a nice day.

[Zfz]

Clemency suffers from the same double-restriction that some other skills/systems in this game also face. Clemency already takes close to 40% of your MP away, yet it is a 3 second cast that can be interrupted.

As main tank, giving up block (which in practice isn't as significant as it sounds but still a real disadvantage) and taking the risk of it getting interrupted and do nothing, makes it a very bad skill. Now. As off tank, the HP return part of Clemency is usually wasted, and the amount of MP it consumes means either you throw your dps away and regen MP, or you deal so little healing you might as well not use it.

Which means it was placed as an emergency button to help out healers while you are off-tanking. But then it has a 3 second cast. In emergencies, most if not all healers would have popped their cooldowns and their strong heals hit by the time you finish the Clemency cast.

The worse your party performs, the more likely Clemency becomes useful. In a properly performing static you might as well take Clemency off your hotbar.

Personally, without regard for balance, I would prefer Clemency to get some proc effects. For example when your HP drops to below 30%, you get 6 seconds during which Clemency becomes instant cast but will go into a 30 second cooldown. This is for MTs. Then for OTs, when your Royal Authority crits you get 10 seconds during which the next Clemency cast costs 0 MP (but maintains the 3 second cast time).

Clemency is a great tool, it just needs some help to make it fit into the melee-tanking style.

As for Flash AOE damage, it's definitely something nice to have.

Flash is supposed to be used to generate initial enmity on mobs, not to be used over and over and over, that's what your enmity combo is for..

Flash spam is the standard and only way PLDs do AOE tanking. It is meant to be used over and over and over because, guess what, CoS enmity isn't enough.

But as PLD, the problem with Flash isn't that it isn't good enough for AOE tanking or anything about its enmity. The problem is that I don't feel I'm PAWNing those mobs with Flash. No I'm serious. That's the problem with Flash. Really really.

[Pr0c3ss0r]

The problem is that I don't feel I'm PAWNing those mobs with Flash. No I'm serious. That's the problem with Flash. Really really.

your not too, as flash prevent you to do any dmg for 2.5 sec, so the only dmg during that 2.5 sec is CoS DoT (if that even up during that flash) >.> Well we can PAWWN 1 of them with Spirits Within every 30 sec i suppose.

[ElHeggunte]

No worry on that Evergrey, people already giving up with PLD since Savage A2. Blind is not working in raid, while OverPower still deal DMG in raid.

If Flash was working as intended, i would not even discuss about this, as it would make sense that PLD take less dmg due to blind effect, but this is not even the case. (unless we talking about lol-dungeon, well yes then flash is working as intended)

So then shouldn't you be asking for less flash-resistant mobs instead of asking or Flash to deal an insignificant amount of damage?

Savage require a huge DPS check, is not an obsession from me, but a requirement designed by Yoshi/DEV. I would rather love to see more complex mechanic and less DPS brick-wall in FF14.

I am sorry to tell you, but at i210 PLD flash still going to do 0 DPS, and still be resisted.

If DPS checks are that tight I don't think adding 50 potency to Flash will make a difference. At all.

[Isala]

If DPS checks are that tight I don't think adding 50 potency to Flash will make a difference. At all.

Every little bit helps, to be completely fair. Think about how much AoE is required in mass pulls. How many mobs are going to be hit with a 50 potency attack over, and over, and over again? That would definitely help the DPS checks.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

There's nothing wrong with the way PLD is designed. However the way it's played and how the community expects PLDs to play? That's where the disconnect happens.

We have one aoe. One. And we only get it at 50. That means for leveling dungeons AV and below, it's of no use to us. And what do people love to do in the old leveling dungeons? Round everything up and kill them all in one go. . . Circle of Scorn would be great for that, but oh wait, can't use it. And when your DPS goes full potato with aoe spam, or focuses on a mob other than what you're targeting, or the healer panics and begins kiting and spamming regen/Med 2 (note: THIS is why it's following you), no Scorn/Flash immunity/Provoke on cooldown really makes your life a lot more difficult.

I'm not saying PLDs aren't as capable of handling big pulls as people seem so fond of, but having a damaging enmity generating skill, a pre-50 aoe, or damage applied to Flash would really help

[Peekachu33]

No worry on that Evergrey, people already giving up with PLD since Savage A2. Blind is not working in raid, while OverPower still deal DMG in raid.

Savage require a huge DPS check, is not an obsession from me, but a requirement designed by Yoshi/DEV. I would rather love to see more complex mechanic and less DPS brick-wall in FF14.

I am sorry to tell you, but at i210 PLD flash still going to do 0 DPS, and still be resisted.

At an average level of i210 the DPS contribution from a PLD vs. similarly geared DPS will be negligible to laughable. Your I210 DPS have some serious issues if they're relying on your leet PLD DPS to push the needle. I'm not sure what your point is. Flash is a utility and aoe hate generator. That's how the skill was designed.