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    Ruri's Avatar
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    Ruri Valeth
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniolaut View Post
    Because you are not able to work as a team. This is a rare occasion, and yes the answer is vote abandon not kick 1 person.
    Its not difficult to understand. I'm not going to argue, my point is already made.
    This is not a debate.
    Last I checked you are not in charge of the game and if you post here people are going to disagree with you.
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    Last edited by Ruri; 08-07-2015 at 01:09 PM.

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    Callinon Soulforge
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniolaut View Post
    This is not a debate.
    Just because you say it doesn't make it true.

    There are definitely real uses for vote kicking someone as opposed to abandoning a duty entirely. I'm sorry that you've been kicked, but honestly if this is the attitude you display in parties then I'm also not really surprised.
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    Zara Ida
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    Cerberus
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniolaut View Post
    Yes. People who are away from the game for 5 minutes while in duty are automatically kicked.

    Vote kick is abused more than properly used.
    Yes (but 10 minutes). But I've had a few times where a party member just went afk constantly (but not long enough to be disconnected) and was pretty much carried through half the dungeon, until everyone got fed up with it and vote kicked.
    I simply don't understand why you start a dungeon if you, apparently, have no time to play. Go do some hunts, or level an alt, do some FATEs, leves, whatever...But don't let 3 others suffer for your lack of time to play.

    Plus, there are more reasons to vote kick. Abusive language for instance. Why should a whole group disband when just one person is being an asshole.
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    Last edited by Zaraaraz; 08-08-2015 at 09:32 PM.

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    Demonjustin O'phoenix
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniolaut View Post
    This is not a debate.

    I am not going to argue. My point is already made.
    So why should anyone care? You believe yourself to be correct, others disagree, if you ignore the others who don't agree with you however you're only going to make it so that no one wants to listen to you in the first place. Perhaps you could make coherent arguments as to why it should be removed, who knows, you only repeat the same rhetoric over and over again whilst failing to be open to opposition. Just some advice, if you want changes to be made then you need to be open to changes in terms of what you think should be done. Remaining stalwart in your position even when facing overwhelming opposition is fine, but ignoring criticism of ideas whilst maintaining a position, is a fool's errand.

    All of that said...

    I think it's fine as it is. Sometimes, you have 3 people working together just fine, happily doing a dungeon, then you have 1 person who's just being a douche. I've had many a party here someone would just stand around and watch while the other 3 fight a group of mobs just because that 1 person doesn't want to do a full clear. Does it help them? No, its stupid and slows down everyone's run even further but with no benefit what so ever. If I'm able, I want to kick that guy, they're slowing us down, refusing to participate, but are in the party all the same. Saying they'll get kicked is false, they fight every mob you HAVE to fight, but when you go on side paths they just stand and wait. It has happened more than 3 times, and that's the number you present to show you're justified in your request, so mine should be equally as valid, no?

    There are also times you get in a party and 1 person, regardless of how well they're doing or how good they are, will start shit with the other members. I am not talking about constructive criticism, I'm not talking about explaining a failure to adhere to mechanics, I am talking about straight up saying everyone sucks and whining about it as the dungeon progresses. I don't think there's a problem with kicking such individuals should the other 3 agree that they want this person removed. I personally don't like people being assholes for the sake of being assholes, and yet some people do just that. Why should I not be able to kick these people? Why should I be forced to deal with their attitude whilst I run a dungeon rather than kick them? If the party agrees they should go, I say they should be able to be kicked.

    Now, I'm not unsympathetic to your argument. Upon the expansions release there was a bit of bias against MCH and many complained about being kicked strictly because they were MCHs. This type of situation shows that it can easily be abused for the worst reasons. I admit this and I wish it weren't happening, but honestly there's not a lot you can do. Anything and everything has some way it could be abused, you can abuse tells and shouts to spam people or to promote RMT, should we rid ourselves of those features? No, because the abuse is unavoidable and reporting people is the only way around it that doesn't involve lowering the quality of the game. It's the same situation here, you have to remove something to fix a small abuse problem, but it's not worth it, so we have to simply go on knowing the potential for abuse and reporting those who do abuse it.
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    Cactuar
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    White Mage Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Daniolaut View Post

    This is not a debate.

    I am not going to argue. My point is already made.
    Welcome to the FFXIV discussion forums.

    If you don't want to hear opposing views and debate your position, start your own blog, disable the comments, and post your large-font rants there instead.

    The overwhelming opinion is that the grief vote kick saves us from is worth the occasional abuse of the system we have to endure. Legitimate vote-kick abuse is a reportable offense, although I would say the 7 players in your castrum run have a decent case for claiming they kicked you for harassment.
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