Please let BRDs use Empyrean Arrow and Iron Jaws outside of Wanderer's Minuet

[DxWings]

I think people are overexaggerating the issue of Straighter Shot procs not working properly. Sure you don't get to use it immediately after it procs. Because you can't do it like that now, you need to adjust and use another GCD skill before using that straighter shot proc. And honestly, if you're not gonna be spamming heavy shots for the next 3 GCDs, that Straighter Shot proc can stay there for as long as it needs to. Its not necessarily wasted if it just sits there for one GCD.
Bloodletter procs on the other hand, I can see that it is definitely an issue because it can proc twice while you're busy casting a skill. However, the way it procs is due to the Crit Rate which is kind of RNG as someone mentioned. So maybe investing in SS instead of Crit will be a bit more beneficial?

[Kayote]

Id be happy with just Iron Jaws being useable outside of WM. Or at least make it usable while moving. Kinda dumb having a couple seconds left on DOTs, going to reapply using IJ and losing it because you have to move to avoid an AoE. Im not one to usually whine about small delays in using SS or BL procs because of WM ... but missing out on Iron Jaws because it just happened to fall in line with a boss AoE attack is definitely a something that shouldnt happen IMO.

EA I dont see why it should be changed. Seems fine to me. I dont think encouraging players to play outside of WM is a good thing. When its time to move youre supposed to decide whether its better to change stance and good full old school mobility DPS or just move a little to avoid damage (maybe burn some oGCD's during).

[RinchanNau]

Id be happy with just Iron Jaws being useable outside of WM. Or at least make it usable while moving. Kinda dumb having a couple seconds left on DOTs, going to reapply using IJ and losing it because you have to move to avoid an AoE. Im not one to usually whine about small delays in using SS or BL procs because of WM ... but missing out on Iron Jaws because it just happened to fall in line with a boss AoE attack is definitely a something that shouldnt happen IMO.

Considering you can reapply your dots when the timer hits 4 OR less (it'll be 2 or less by the time the dots re-apply) you should practically always have enough time to refresh dots via IJ even with some dodging necessary.

[Geardagas]

I'd be fine with just Iron Jaws and Straight Shot losing their cast time. That will give us two effective attacks to use while moving.

Not that I have a problem with anything about WM, at all. If it stayed the same i'd be happy as a clam. It's much funner than 2.X. People saying that they have mobility issues because of WM need to learn to play, end of story.

The only real issue I currently have with my bard is straighter shot's low duration. Sometimes it is more convenient to sit on straighter shot and use it at the perfect time, but that short duration forces my hand.

[Kayote]

Considering you can reapply your dots when the timer hits 4 OR less (it'll be 2 or less by the time the dots re-apply) you should practically always have enough time to refresh dots via IJ even with some dodging necessary.

Thats a safe spot yes, but its not always the case, sometimes BL procs, or SS, which take priority if you have time and lowers that window even more with having to move for what ever reason. Then what about having to move for much longer periods? Where getting out of WM is the better option? Having IJ would be much better.

Why do we need to charge magic hand-waving anyway?

[RinchanNau]

Bloodletter procs and straighter shot procs do not affect when you refresh your dots. Sounds like you're not really pressing your buttons effectively. BL is off GCD. SS procs SHOULD BE delayed if your dots need to be refreshed. This was the case before Minuet was even a thing.

[Katchoo]

So we miss a reset? It's still free damage when we do catch them anyway.

I don't even ... i mean i can't ... it's just ... oh boy oh boy oh boy.

I liked old Bard because it was faster paced and required more attention.

Cast times make it slower. Because you can only reliably fit in one OGCD, there's no more worries about catching all the procs to maximize your DPS because you won't.

I preferred the challenge of having to maximize DPS through fast reaction times, as well as weaving in things like Repelling Shot which is more likely to mess you up than help now. I do not like being able to maximize DPS by waiting for something to cast so I can shoot the clearly superior OGCD and then move down the line.

Sir you naild it in one. Kudos.

[Kayote]

Bloodletter procs and straighter shot procs do not affect when you refresh your dots. Sounds like you're not really pressing your buttons effectively. BL is off GCD. SS procs SHOULD BE delayed if your dots need to be refreshed. This was the case before Minuet was even a thing.

And yet youre still completely dismissing the fact that it causes problems when you have to move ...

Furthermore at 4 seconds you have at least one more DoT tick coming, so no 4 seconds is not optimal nor does it always fall within that time with enough time to move. I could refresh Iron Jaws at 4, 10, 16 seconds and avoid all sorts of AoE without a hitch... doesnt mean I should. Any other miserably minute details you'd like to bring up to shit on others QoL suggestions with?

[RinchanNau]

Any other miserably minute details you'd like to bring up to shit on others QoL suggestions with?

The 2 to 4 second window is quite optimal. I did say 4 OR LESS, right? How does this cause problems when you have to move? If you've done an encounter a few times you know when you have to move. If you don't know the encounter then you suffer the consequences of not playing optimally at all times. That's what learning is for. I don't see how I am 'shitting on your QoL suggestion' by pointing out how easy it is to refresh your dots even when you have to move.

I would also point out that sometimes it is a solid option to refresh early. Your option can sometimes be to refresh 1 tick early or apply them 2.0 style after dropping Minuet if there is a mechanic that requires several seconds of movement. Being able to use everything at all times can be boring. May as well make Ballad, Foe, and Paeon all instant while we're at it.

[RiceisNice]

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Well thats the thing. I feel it's slow because there are plenty of times where I can't do anything despite my GCD being off cooldown and not casting anything because I doubled up on oGCDs/bloodletter inbetween. You don't want to delay using bloodletter or risk stacking resets and losing it. It's extremely awkward and breaks the pacing for me as a player that pays extremely close attention to GCD timers. If you follow the priority list to a T (bloodletter being above heavy shot), this is going to happen and it breaks the pacing for me.


You and I are on different spectrum of this. Straighter shot deals still less damage than heavy shot and costs more TP. I don't want to have to use this more than I need to (which can at least guaranteed I'll get more damage out of it than heavy shot if its 100% crit). It's still a terrible design whether if it's an exploitable bug or a detrimental flaw, whatever. It shouldn't be here since it's not working as intended, and especially when they fixed the BLM (and even MCH) counterpart of it but left this alone.

I liked bard in 2.0 when I could catch reactive procs in time, whether it be catching bloodletters and hitting it twice in a single GCD or catching striaght shot as my heavy shot finishes its animation. I can't reliably do either of these two anymore due to the the skill animations starting 1.4-1.5 seconds into the GCD (effectively giving you a 1 second buffer for those procs/oGCD weaves, which doesn't work for the latter because heavy shot's animation is long as fuck and was not made with WM in consideration at the time).