FFXIV better stop doing what WoW's doing, because its losing millions of subs.

[Shneibel]

5 new dungeons, 3 raids and 1 actual major content patch in its lifetime. WoD didn't have extreme gating, it had extreme lack of content. The next WoW expansion is being revealed tomorrow and WoD has been by far the worst expansion in terms of content, not gating.

The red mark, I would like to have better explanation of why you think it lack of content. WoD release with dungeon from lvl 51 to 60, total of 8 dungeons, 5 trials battles (3 stories mode and 2 extreme mode), shortly after is Alex story mode with 4 floor (ppl hate "turn" for some reason) and now we have Alex savage. On top of all that battle content, there are crafting & gathering content, and there are small side content (TT update, Sightseeing, etc)

for me I don't see the content release is lacking, it have enough to lvl up jobs to the cap (as it suppose to be, new lvl cap after all). I understand running 2 dungeon everyday for eso tome can be frustate and bored to some ppl, but I will not call that lack of content: I don't even think that is valid as lack of content, because it sound like ppl expect the game expansion release with 10 lvl 60 dungeons ?

[Reynhart]

Probaly some misunderstanding

He was talking about Warlords Of Draenor, the last WoW expansion, not Heavensward

[Reinha]

So warlords of draenor has nothing to do? It has garrison missions, shipyard missions, timewalker dungeons, Raids, Crafting, Gathering, Apexis dailies. Theres plenty to do, the problem is doing those things is boring as hell because there is no challenge and no purpose to them. I don't want to see FFXIV go down this road, like at all.

There is not plenty to do outside of raiding. That was the biggest problem for the expansion. Killing thousands of open world mobs for useless rewards is not content.

Garrison missions:
Facebook app level of content that doesn't belong in a sub based game.

Shipyard missions:
See above.

Timewalker dungeons:
They simply added level sync, a feature FFXIV had from the start. Not to mention these dungeons are weekend events so they aren't even always available!

Crafting:
All items used a base material that was produced with a daily cooldown and wasn't tradeable. There is literally a daily cap on how much you can craft. Also, don't forget each character could only have 2 professions which took maybe 2 days to cap.

Gathering:
Useless, because the items sold for only slightly above their vendor price. Why? That daily cap for crafting made sure that the garrison was all you need to fuel crafting.

Apexis dailies:
Kill a 100 mobs in exchange for currency that can be traded for useless gear with a huge price. FFXIV equivalent would be if fates gave 10 law each for max level characters.

When people say there's nothing to do, it obviously doesn't mean literally nothing. They mean they have no goals to work towards if they play for more than 30 minutes a day and aren't interested in raiding. In FFXIV we have unrestricted crafting, gathering, daily and weekly hunts, challenge log, sightseeing log, fc crafting and new glamour items. There are also chocobo leveling and relic quests from ARR for those who didn't finish them. (WoW deleted the previous "relic" quests so people can't even go back to do it.) Not to mention the upcoming things like more MSQ, new side quests, new relics, more airship stuff and new beast tribe dailies. This expac has been out for one and a half months and it already offers more stuff to do outside of raids than WoW does!

That, combined with all the undelivered promises/plans the devs made AND the removal of old content and gameplay that worked just fine, are why people left WoW. It has nothing to do with content gating like the OP claims. Players in WoW can even skip most of leveling for crying out loud. Those upvotes must come from the absolute most gullible people who haven't even played the game. The lengths to which people on these forums will go in order to support their agenda continues to amaze me. If you think FFXIV sucks, at least make a credible argument instead of blatant lies.

[SDaemon]

The red mark, I would like to have better explanation of why you think it lack of content. WoD release with dungeon from lvl 51 to 60, total of 8 dungeons, 5 trials battles (3 stories mode and 2 extreme mode), shortly after is Alex story mode with 4 floor (ppl hate "turn" for some reason) and now we have Alex savage. On top of all that battle content, there are crafting & gathering content, and there are small side content (TT update, Sightseeing, etc)

for me I don't see the content release is lacking, it have enough to lvl up jobs to the cap (as it suppose to be, new lvl cap after all). I understand running 2 dungeon everyday for eso tome can be frustate and bored to some ppl, but I will not call that lack of content: I don't even think that is valid as lack of content, because it sound like ppl expect the game expansion release with 10 lvl 60 dungeons ?

I was talking about WoD, the WoW expansion, not HW the XIV expansion. I think you just read one thing and thought another because you even use the acronym WoD in your post to describe HW lol.

[Instrumentality]

People are leaving WoW because they are done with it. See what happens when you make things more accessible? All those casual players that don't have time to play much, and therefore need LFR and LFG are leaving to go play other games. They will go back when the next expansion hits, burn through the content in 3 months and start leaving again.

Hopefully FFXIV won't make the same mistake of sacrificing fun and engaging gameplay for the sake of accessibility.

XIV is more casual friendly than WoW.

[Tuathaa]

WoW being one, they had nearly 13m subscribers at the time of WotLK and pretty much nothing was gated...

It was imo their most casual friendly expat as well as their most successful.
Instead of following the pattern that wotlk made they decided to cut the majority if it's dev team and start from scratch with Cata. Which started the exodus. In Mop they started to bring some of it back and again instead of building on that formula they re wrote the game again to make it more appealing to the 13-17 yr old facebook/twitter/YouTube generation with short attention spans.

[odintius]

I think people from WoW been looking for something else for a long time know, SWTOR came allot moved then you seen the same kind of subscription lost when it was release. The game is over a decade old people I believe are just wanting something else know to move on to but that's my opinion.

[Tuathaa]

XIV is more casual friendly than WoW.

Not even close. WoW is and will always be more casual friendly than XIV.

[Rafaelhades]

Ah yes. Nothing like the smell of Chicken Little droppings in the morning. Oh damn, the sky is falling! FFXIV will die if a select few's desires aren't met! Oh me, oh my! Everyone quick! Build an ark! The world is ending because the Starbucks by my house didn't make me my grande triple frothy mochaccino with chocolate shavings! Starbucks is going to go bankrupt now!

[Tuathaa]

I was talking about WoD, the WoW expansion, not HW the XIV expansion. I think you just read one thing and thought another because you even use the acronym WoD in your post to describe HW lol.

There are a disturbing amount similarities between the 2.