Why does Enochian have to be a pain in the neck?

[Sleigh]

Sharpcast > Thunder > Thundercloud (different mob) > 2.x AoE rotation with thundercloud procs as they pop, tossing it on a new mob each time

Thundercloud procs early in the rotation mean 710 potency for zero MP, and they just roll faster downhill the more you get. It's not uncommon to get 3-4 thundercloud procs before you hit your first Flare. Good RNG will blow any SMN out of the water, bad RNG will put you a little below a good SMN.

Okay, no offense but I don't think you know what a SMN can do in AoE if you think Thundercloud will let BLM compete with SMN. The difference is extraordinarily vast, you could chain cast Thundercloud and you'd still get absolutely destroyed as BLM in any dungeon pull or A2S.

[Viuiji]

Except when mechanic screw you over. Quarantine in A4 for exemple. You can't see it coming, its instan and its random if he'll target you or not

Now that I've cleared A4 and started savage (working on A1S) I can appreciate what you were saying. The first few runs really caught me off guard. Although, I still believe in what I said though, the more I play/practice the more I am finding that knowing the fight is paramount. We will still get caught from time to time (broken screen yet anyone?) but overall I am happy with the changes.

we have a very good set of skills that may or may not need tweaking. but seriously it seems that really all it takes is some practice and pushing your limits to learn the new boundaries.

I agree completely. The more I practice and run dungeons, the better I am at keeping Enochian and getting the rotation right.

Take Neverreap as an example, it is not the most BLM friendly however, I love to run it because it puts me in situations where I need to think on my feet and try different strategies, all the while attempting to keep Enochian going. It now becomes more about timings and positions then the actual mechanics, and more often than not, is my own fault if I lose Enochian.

I am still learning though, but am better than I was last week and will be better again next week.

[chidarake]

BLM kinda lost its aoe dps identity. We are far behind the #1 and not far behind #3-4.
I rarely double flare because i would rather keep covert for 6x fire IV or not fuck my dps up for 6-9 seconds after flaring

I can agree on keeping it for the opener if your just about to hit a boss but if your a couple packs back and given the time it takes things to die at the moment there really isn't a reason not to double flare. the same goes for renewing enochian, just don't do it on last pack if you wont have time to start a boss without it.

although that being said not starting with the opener or having enochian is not such a big deal as it wouldn't be long before you can pull of the chain and chances are youll still get to use the skill a couple times in the fight given there length. << not referring to raids where you def want them on first pull.

[Waliel]

I don't have room for Blizzard 1 on my main bar unless I replace Scathe, and I'm currently on the fence as to whether I should do that. Scathe is nice to have for some fights (think, running from those orbs in Ravana) and if it's on my second bar it's automatically a little slower to cast.

You could just Sharp - Swift - F1 - F3 during the orbs, if you get targeted. I think the only time I scathe now is dungeon trash at 2%.

[StouterTaru]

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That is highly dependent on how many mobs there are, how fast they die, and how much downtime there is between pulls.

At around 6 mobs in the group, the ST damage starts to fall behind. When the mobs have low HP and die in under 30 seconds, the DoT damage drops off fast. When there's time between groups for the SMN to recover timers, they get a huge boost.

Expert roulette will vary greatly based on the rest of the group. Fast single pack tank vs slow everything-til-the-gate tank, dps healer vs cure and doze healer, some groups SMN have a higher potential, others it's BLM. But if you are destroyed by a SMN in similar gear in every case, you are doing something wrong.

SMN has a huge disadvantage in A2 (never done savage, but I'm guessing mostly the same thing with higher HP, harder hitting mobs, a few new mechanics); Aetherflow has a 60 second timer. BLM recovers much, much faster in a constant fight. Groups of 3-4 is where Thundercloud spam starts to shine as well.

[Maero]

Equally skilled and geared players, smn will be ahead in aoe. Don't believe it then you clearly have never run into good summoners, lol
That is just the situation of things now, i guess the countless threads about summoners needing a buff has worked to their advantage after all

[StouterTaru]

Equally skilled and geared players, smn will be ahead in aoe. Don't believe it then you clearly have never run into good summoners, lol

I never said BLM would always be ahead in AoE. I said BLM has potential to do more damage in some instances, and will come out ahead with good RNG on thundercloud procs. If you don't believe me then all you've seen are BLMs with a "ARR AoE" or "F4 only" mentality.

[Sleigh]

SMN has a huge disadvantage in A2 (never done savage, but I'm guessing mostly the same thing with higher HP, harder hitting mobs, a few new mechanics); Aetherflow has a 60 second timer. BLM recovers much, much faster in a constant fight. Groups of 3-4 is where Thundercloud spam starts to shine as well.

I am not going to argue with someone who thinks SMN has a disadvantage in A2 or A2S.

[StouterTaru]

I am not going to argue with someone who thinks SMN has a disadvantage in A2 or A2S.

Compared to a BLM in the AoE department, they do.

SMN AoE skills:

• Deathflare once a minute
• Bane/Painflare 3 times a minute
• Garuda AoE tickle twice a minute
• Garuda big hit every 5 minutes

In a simple BLM AoE rotation I can get off 9 FIIs and a 3 Flares every 63 seconds without any CDs. So yeah, having those long CDs is a disadvantage for SMN in A2.

[OneWingedSora]

Compared to a BLM in the AoE department, they do.

SMN AoE skills:

• Garuda big hit every 5 minutes

It's 3 minutes now.

Also, what numbers are you pulling on A2 ? Post a parse screen w/ your gear and I will happily prove you wrong.