A suggestion regarding height.

[Kaedan94]

"Take a screenshot and enlarge it" You mean scale it to the size of the guy's picture right? Because that's literally what she did and that's literally how "height" in this game works.

No, that's not at all what they did. There was no proper scaling done at all. That's precisely what I'm talking about. If the model was actually scaled, and not simply a screenshot enlarged and eyeballed, that would show exactly what the problem would be. As for the hit box, yes, it is a standard size for all models... but scaling up the Au Ra female to the same height as the male would put it's parameters outside the hit box. The fact you can't understand the first two points means you definitely wouldn't understand a technical explanation with jargon.

It was a design choice to not have girl Roegadyn or male Miqo'te, and we've got those in the game now, not like this would be the first time devs have gone back on "design choices".

Not having male miqote or female Roes was not a design choice, that was a simply a choice, or more specifically a content choice. Once they decided to add those two genders, then they made design choices about them (though to be fair, the female Roe's design was already decided with Merylweb) about how they looked.

When they decided to include the Au Ra (a content decision) they made a choice about how they would look (a design choice). And that choice was that females would be much shorter and more petite than males. If they had wanted the females to be able to be as tall as the men, they would have designed it that way. But they didn't.

[Ditto]

Dragemons sounds ok to me.

The difference in Au Ra body mass is mentioned in their lore. It's a part of their race. SE isn't going to change all of that just so you can be an over-bloated disproportionate Au Ra female.

And as someone else has already pointed out, save for Au Ra, it's possible to have the genders fairly equal in height.

It isn't going to happen with Au Ra. It shouldn't, it doesn't need to, and it wont.

If you want to be a big husky female with horns, buy Ultima Horns and use them on a female Roe or highlander. I mean any race can have horns as a glamor now.

[Samcaesar]

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Okay, please, seeing as how you're experienced in modeling to know all that ~*jargon*~, go do your model magic and show exactly how different it'd be, I can wait, I want to be proven wrong here. The models literally just upscale, so upscaling a screenshot would functionally be no different. Go ahead, take a screenshot of a Roegadyn woman at 1, then take one of of a 100, upscale that Roe at 1 to the 1 at 100 and you know what's different? Weirdly enough, it looks exactly the same, go figure that scaling a two dimensional image looks no different than scaling the in game model (Which, because we see it through a computer screen, it also a two dimensional image!), almost like the term scaling things up doesn't mean two entirely different things dependent.

Okay, let's go over this though. There is one hit box, somehow an upscaled Auri woman would put its parameters outside of it, but Roegadyn dudes, who will always be the biggest in overall size, don't. The models literally just upscale when you make their height number higher, but for some reason scaling a screenshot isn't the same thing. I've asked you to present proof before and you've yet to provide, sorry if I'm entirely skeptical about your claims.

It was a literally a design choice to invoke a similar feeling to the Mithra and Galka from FFXI, it's why the races look so similar too. It was reinforced with lore by there being just a heavy girl skewed ratio in the birthrate of girl:boy Miqo'te. It's not like SE is infallable with designing a new race, heck apparently they wanted something "less human" with the new race and they gave us Auri women, which seems pretty opposite to that goal. That's the thing, SE has ultimate decision on what they want the height of the girls to be, hence the appeal on my behalf to make the changes to allow itf. It's not that SE never changes their minds about things, and the Auri women being a max of 5'2 would be no exception.

Besides, you never addressed the question of "if this is strictly an optional addition, why do you care so much to oppose it". Seriously, if this is suggestion occurs, you might have to look at the occasional odd looking tall Auri woman at worse, not like you'd have to make an one yourself. There is nothing bad about SE putting in a bit of effort to make it possible.

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Here's the thing about lore, SE always can change it or make minor additions. For all we know one of those "hidden tribes" they've mentioned in the naming convention post found some weird way to make the women tall and another one found a way to keep their men short. I mean heck, they've got Xaela tribes with 1/3 birthrates of twins and the ability to hold their breath for 15 minutes, you're telling me they can't squeeze in one tribe and do this? I mean, heck, you gonna hound every Xaela that's not named a traditional 14th century Mongolian name? Because lore wise that's how their naming conventions go. Obviously SE should keep players from naming themselves and only use randomly generated names, it's apart of their lore after all.

None of this "fairly equal" crap, the other races can easily be made to be equal in height and they should.

Sure as heck isn't going to happen with the opposition acting like it's impossible and a horrible idea. In my honest opinion It's a dull and boring overused racial motif (I can rarely think of a fantasy race where the men are the short and cuter ones and the girls are massive and tough), it makes absolutely no sense to restrict players to only being small Auri women and tall Auri men, especially whenever the additional option to have a tall or short Auru woman/man wouldn't affect those who want the status quo very much at all.

If you want to be a big husky female with horns, buy Ultima Horns and use them on a female Roe or highlander. I mean any race can have horns as a glamor now.

"If you want cutesy girls with horns, buy the Ultima Horns and use them on a Miqo'te. I mean any race can have horns as glamour now" See how ridiculous that suggestion is? I want the Au Ra to change because I like the aesthetic and cultural lore of the Xaela. I don't want "Roegadyn + horns" I want "Tall Auri women"

[R-Kine]

Inferiority complex
The Thread

I want to be a tall girl, but I don't want to play a tall race, I want to be taller than the guys of MY race.

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[Samcaesar]

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Doesn't actually read posts and jumps to conclusions
The Post

I don't read posts so I think "I want the height range for the sexes of each race should be equal" means "I want to be taller than the men, haha!"

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No seriously, where have I ever said I want to be taller than the men? Never once have I requested for female Miqo'te to be able to go up to Roegadyn sizes or something like that, only that the sexes of each race should be equal with their height range. It's annoying because as a tall woman I'm stuck with Roegadyn or Highlander if I want to be "Tall" but I'll still never be as tall as the guys of my race like how I am in real life. I can't be a girl Miqo'te and be 5'8 like the guy Miqo'te can. If you think the proper answer to "I want to be as tall as a guy Miqo'te and still be a Miqo'te" is "Play elezen lol" you have poor reasoning skills.

[FallenArisen0990]

We still going on about this? It's already mentioned in their Lore that Au Ra females are way smaller than their male counterpart. Allowing them to be tall breaks that Lore.

This is why I'm glad SE is going back to roots because it's more effective and makes for a better game.

[Kaedan]

It's annoying because as a tall woman I'm stuck with Roegadyn or Highlander if I want to be "Tall" but I'll still never be as tall as the guys of my race like how I am in real life..

I guarantee you're not as tall as the tallest guys in real life, just as you can't be as tall as the tallest guys in the game. However, you can be taller than some guys in the game, just as you are taller than some guys in real life... unless you want to be Au Ra, then you should simply not play them because that was a design decision that doesn't mesh with your world view.

[BunnyChain]

That's because all that poster did was take a screenshot and enlarge it. They didn't actually scale up the model in-engine. If they had done the latter, you would see how utterly disproportionate it would be, and how it wouldn't fit within model parameters and the hit box.

Well that's pretty close to how the scaling works in-game:



At 0, 100 and then my scaled up 0-version for comparison.

You do not change any proportions when scaling it up.

More for Au'Ra, since people like to focus on that race:



Again, no proportions change.


It would be better if we had good lore on the matter too.
Right now, from what I can tell, it's:

Why is there a "gross disproportion in body mass"?
Lore: Yes.

[Samcaesar]

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It's SE's lore, they can always change it. "Au Ra are generally have massive sexual dimorphism, this mixed clan "Xaela" tribe's unique thing is it doesn't do that".

What roots are you talking about?

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Well no duh, the tallest guy in real life was 8'7, so pretty sure you're not as tall as the tallest guys in real life either. Unless if I'm in a room with a bunch of really tall guys, I'm still taller than the average guy. Changing the Au Ra to allow it as an option doesn't kills the design decision, if it's listed as something rare then the racial design remains perfectly fine while also giving players more options.

I don't get why you're so offended over the idea of the heights being equalized for the sexes of each race, it gives players more significant options with regards to character customization without taking anything except for the ability to go from a third of an inch in height to two thirds of an inch for each height slider tick. We don't have massive giants, Elves, scaly people, and cat people in real life, and yet having girls that are just as tall as the guys are when you stamp your foot in the ground and go "Sorry, that's not like real life so I don't approve!"

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Yeah seriously, if the proportions looked odd whenever they were big, they looked odd whenever they were small too. Let's be honest folks if you wanna say "Girl Au Ra that big have stupidly big heads!" the big heads aren't new, you're just now noticing it.

You know what I'd love? If SE actually took the time to explain why on earth the Au Ra women can't be tall, because currently it's an arbitrary and absolutely nonsensical "lol just cause". Seriously, there's a tribe that practiced selective breeding in an attempted to make their tribe taller and it only works for the men, while the women stayed as short as ever. I'm sorry SE, but that's literally not how it works, if selective breeding manages to cause height growth for the guys, it'd do the same for the girls as well.

Like.. This is a weird race with plenty of "weird biology = unique tribe!" sorta instances with the Xaela, like the tribe with a high twin birthrate or how one tribe's thing is they spent centuries up in snowy glacial environment and now their skin tone has changed to be all rustic red (Which seems to be an anomaly as it's the unique tribe's thing). Heck the Au Ra themselves don't even follow their own lore, guy Raen have like light brown scales and Yugiri has freaking rainbow scales, Raen are to have "brilliant white scales", while girl Xaela have dark blue scales and not "lustrous black". I really don't see why "And tribe x managed to find a way to encourage immense high growth in the women of the race, their women easily standing out compared to the normally short Auri women." or "Tribe y's men have a notable distinct trait of not going through the massive growth spurt that Auri men normally experience" is such a bizarre and rejected idea, it doesn't even betray the race as it puts this as a rare, unique trait of the tribe.

Thank you for posting that gif and those edits by the way! I haven't had the time to do it myself.

[SpiritMuse]

I guarantee you're not as tall as the tallest guys in real life, just as you can't be as tall as the tallest guys in the game. However, you can be taller than some guys in the game, just as you are taller than some guys in real life... unless you want to be Au Ra, then you should simply not play them because that was a design decision that doesn't mesh with your world view.

Except you can't really, what with the tallest possible setting for a woman being only as tall as the shortest possible setting for men.