Please let BRDs use Empyrean Arrow and Iron Jaws outside of Wanderer's Minuet

[SlyRoyale]

All WM did is make bard slower and easier to play, with missing oGCD abilities being less of a big deal, because you cannot hit all of them
I never understood how it makes it harder or less brain dead.
People have a right to not enjoy it, and to express their opinion.

Toggling WM to sneak in auto-attacks. Enforcing necessary movement instead of strafe-hopping like a tool like some BRDs do. In those regards, WM makes the job less brain-dead despite already being so easy. In fact, WM makes DoT management a lot easier thanks to Iron Jaws.
Also, just because someone has an opinion doesn't mean they should force it down everyone's throats. Crying for WM's removal and other related nonsense is no different than aggressive converting practices.

people who wanted that play style can play the new MCH job. isn't that why new jobs are created and released to provide a new playing experience for the playerbase?

It's not just MCH we're talking about here, it's BRD. People are bitching over the changes like it's the end of the world, and it's annoying sifting through it all trying to find posts worth reading. There's addressing viable concerns and there's simply crying and whining. From what I've seen, there's more of the latter than the former.

to what? is there a ranged DPS without casting times that only you know about?

It's called turning off WM and GB during heavy movement periods, or toggling it to sneak in an auto-attack. I'm not the only one who knows about it either, as I actually try to adjust with what is given to the job I main.

[Rikkustrife]

Crying for WM's removal and other related nonsense is no different than aggressive converting practices.

This thread is not about removing it though

[SlyRoyale]

This thread is not about removing it though

It's about making two skills exclusive to it being made available outside of WM. It is essentially similar.

[dragoelete]

It's about making two skills exclusive to it being made available outside of WM. It is essentially similar.

no its called being flexible there are people who like turret mode but there are people who don't. who would like to use all there kit without needing to be turret mode.

[SlyRoyale]

no its called being flexible there are people who like turret mode but there are people who don't. who would like to use all there kit without needing to be turret mode.

Good players who use all of their toolkit properly. A concept most BRDs complaining about WM seem to not understand.

[Liselsia]

Good players who use all of their toolkit properly. A concept most BRDs complaining about WM seem to not understand.

Basically. The conversation really isnt make to make BRD more flexible. Instead the discussion is "Make non-WM more optimal, and WM less optimal". Any one even semi seriously about bard will use the optimal way regardless of play style. Its inherently a selfish wish of wanting their playstyle to be the optimal one instead of current BRD.

[SlyRoyale]

Basically. The conversation really isnt make to make BRD more flexible. Instead the discussion is "Make non-WM more optimal, and WM less optimal". Any one even semi seriously about bard will use the optimal way regardless of play style. Its inherently a selfish wish of wanting their playstyle to be the optimal one instead of current BRD.

Couldn't have said it better myself. The majority of the complaining is all "ME!ME!ME!ME!ME!" while some BRDs like myself are thinking "How can I make this work for me so I can work with my party?" I'll gladly adapt a play style that will be a boon for everyone over wasting time whining about how I don't like how BRD currently plays (I don't mind it at all as I've taken it on without issue).

[Aiselia]

just because someone has an opinion doesn't mean they should force it down everyone's throats.

Everyone crying over WM needs to shut up or switch jobs.

You were saying?

[SlyRoyale]

You were saying?

Beats having to put up with the "pls get rid of WM" whining, if you ask me. I'm not the one crying about the ability after all.

[Aiselia]

Beats having to put up with the "pls get rid of WM" whining, if you ask me. I'm not the one crying about the ability after all.

No, you're just the one crying about the crying about the ability.

The difference is that you have the ability to refrain from going into the threads if they bug you. Bards do not have the ability to refrain from going into WM without being drains on the rest of the party because their damage is now balanced around using WM.