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    Quote Originally Posted by Aikaal View Post
    On a side note, iLevel 200 weapon's Spell Speed is such a quality of life buff on your rotation. Wtb more Spell Speed.
    What min/max range are you getting at the moment with weapon on Fire IV ? Party buff preferably.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OneWingedSora View Post
    What min/max range are you getting at the moment with weapon on Fire IV ? Party buff preferably.
    That'd be terribly annoying to test and actually get the true min/max range. B2's fine, it scales appropriately with the potency.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleigh View Post
    That'd be terribly annoying to test and actually get the true min/max range. B2's fine, it scales appropriately with the potency.
    That works too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OneWingedSora View Post
    What min/max range are you getting at the moment with weapon on Fire IV ? Party buff preferably.
    Pot, voiced foe, rs, ta I get about 11.1k-11.5k crit highest. It would be slightly more with Battle Litanny but my group isn<t running Dragoon right now. I'm getting about 1150-1180 DPS on enrage wipes of A3S right now.

    Quote Originally Posted by SaucepanKaoz View Post
    um, aikaal, you can still swift f3 in ur opener and fit 5 f4s and a proc in ur pot with fey wind. Meanwhile you're letting enochian eat into ur gcd, then you let rs and pot in the same weave eat into ur gcd. You're also wasting 3.5 second of ley lines. The 0.5 second gain from swift f4 (2.5 vs 3) and 189 potency vs whatever the amount of seconds enochian and rs eats into your GCD and 3.5 seconds of ley lines. 6 f4s is sketchy when i do it, sometimes i get instant b4, sometimes not, which would mean a loss in casts.

    I don't have any math, I'm just curious if you thought about that. Did you calculate potency per gcd or potency per second? Cause potency per gcd is wrong. The only fight I do swift f3 is a3s anyways, due how it's designed. But that's for another dicussion.

    Here's some a3s blm pov if you're interested. My enochians cd was misstimed by 1-2 seconds for some reason, threw me off a bit.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAVWCeR7MsY

    190 weapon, x pots, tarts, lb3 cast, no foe, 195
    http://puu.sh/jpKwZ.png
    I'm at work so I can't check but I can tell there is zero gain from using swiftcast on the first F3. It's preference and it makes more sense to me to keep it for movement. Hardcast + 2 OGCD is actualyl shorter than Swift F3 + 2 OGCD because you eat the whole global of F3 that is 2.5 seconds. It doesn't take that much time to use 2 OGCD. I also use Swift in A3S during my F3 proc for 4th F4 so I don't lose downtime there. So even if you gain Leylines time, I still feel Swiftcast on F3 is not the best solution.

    It's more preference, I'm doing really good the way I open, I do have the Foe edge over you on that fight but my group have overall less DPS than you My best attempts has been 1150-1180dps.
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    Last edited by Aikaal; 08-05-2015 at 06:32 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aikaal View Post
    Pot, voiced foe, rs, ta I get about 11.1k-11.5k crit highest. It would be slightly more with Battle Litanny but my group isn<t running Dragoon right now. I'm getting about 1150-1180 DPS on enrage wipes of A3S right now.



    I'm at work so I can't check but I can tell there is zero gain from using swiftcast on the first F3. It's preference and it makes more sense to me to keep it for movement. Hardcast + 2 OGCD is actualyl shorter than Swift F3 + 2 OGCD because you eat the whole global of F3 that is 2.5 seconds. It doesn't take that much time to use 2 OGCD. I also use Swift in A3S during my F3 proc for 4th F4 so I don't lose downtime there. So even if you gain Leylines time, I still feel Swiftcast on F3 is not the best solution.

    It's more preference, I'm doing really good the way I open, I do have the Foe edge over you on that fight but my group have overall less DPS than you My best attempts has been 1150-1180dps.


    Mate, you have 2 more weapon damage, FOE, trick, and probably use drac pot. That wasn't close to my best attempt, ur not close to even stepping into my realm C!@0, Kappa
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aikaal View Post
    It would be slightly more with Battle Litanny but my group isn<t running Dragoon right now.
    Does Battle Litany increase your crit damage? I never paid any attention (almost never get to group with a DRG), but I always just assumed it was a flat +15% crit chance aka the most overrated buff in the game.

    Quote Originally Posted by SaucepanKaoz View Post
    Mate, you have 2 more weapon damage, FOE, trick, and probably use drac pot. That wasn't close to my best attempt, ur not close to even stepping into my realm C!@0, Kappa
    A weapon he could've gotten yesterday at the earliest.

    How much extra DPS overall Foe even is nowadays? Last number I heard was around 4%, but that was long ago.
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    Last edited by Waliel; 08-05-2015 at 09:22 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waliel View Post
    Does Battle Litany increase your crit damage? I never paid any attention (almost never get to group with a DRG), but I always just assumed it was a flat +15% crit chance aka the most overrated buff in the game.
    It only increases the Critical Rate; Critical Damage is unaffected.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aikaal View Post
    I'm at work so I can't check but I can tell there is zero gain from using swiftcast on the first F3. It's preference and it makes more sense to me to keep it for movement. Hardcast + 2 OGCD is actualyl shorter than Swift F3 + 2 OGCD because you eat the whole global of F3 that is 2.5 seconds. It doesn't take that much time to use 2 OGCD. I also use Swift in A3S during my F3 proc for 4th F4 so I don't lose downtime there. So even if you gain Leylines time, I still feel Swiftcast on F3 is not the best solution.
    I think the reason he swiftcasts F3 at the start of A3S is because he's standing 2 oclock of the boss so he uses it to get there without losing casts. Thankfully, I just stand 6 oclock of the boss so I can just start with my normal opener and save swiftcast incase I get targeted by Protene Wave or Sluice.

    Still a very impressive video but there is room to squeeze more DPS, Sharpcast Thunder > Thundercloud on the other hand during P2(I think your group definitely has the DPS to not get negatively affected by that) , flaring the tornado to hit 3+adds, etc. I also don't know what the merit was for using fire 1 > thunder > fire 1 > sharpcast > fire 1 during last phase ? Was this an execution error or is this intentional ?
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    Last edited by OneWingedSora; 08-05-2015 at 09:20 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aikaal View Post
    Pot, voiced foe, rs, ta I get about 11.1k-11.5k crit highest. It would be slightly more with Battle Litanny but my group isn<t running Dragoon right now. I'm getting about 1150-1180 DPS on enrage wipes of A3S right now.
    Battle Litany doesn't increase crit damage, just %. But anyways, I am getting about 3.95k-4.35k Fire IVs with the chest + 210 ring. i192. Highest burst was 9k crit Fire IV no Foes/TA which would translate to about 11700 with Foes & TA.

    Though it sucks having to downgrade to i180 accessory on A3S since I don't have the accuracy to use the 210 chest + 210 ring/wrist :C And I am sitting at 600 sspd only.

    Reporting no misses at 531 accuracy on A3S, 3 misses at 523 so accuracy cap is probably somewhere in between.
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    Last edited by OneWingedSora; 08-06-2015 at 09:46 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OneWingedSora View Post
    Reporting no misses at 531 accuracy on A3S, 3 misses at 523 so accuracy cap is probably somewhere in between.
    I tried 523 as well and had some misses, same with 526. The next lowest I've been able to get is 537 and I didn't get any misses, but it sounds like the cap could be 530 for A3S.
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