The Red Scrip Fix doesn't help much.

[MysteryNotes]

Look to the left of my post. Clearly showing gathering class then if want check lodestone on the character, clearly both gathering and crafting classes shown as being some substantially leveled and others in the process of leveling.

Lets see. You have a 59 BTN, a lvl 58 FSH and a level 57 Miner. Oh and half your crafters are at level 50, with none above 51 at the time of your post.

So, you do have some DOL/DOH levelled, but I'd say you don't actually know much/anything about the subject of the topic which this thread is about, which is about gathering favors.

Look at your equipment. Can you even get 470 collectibility on adamantite with your non melded NQ lvl 55 gear?
Have you collected red scrips yet even? No? Then you don't know anything about how long it takes aside from reading OTHER people's posts.

[scarebearz]

I think you'll find I am both.

Sorry, I will amend my post:

When he say's "we" I believe he is meaning level 60 crafters or gatherers, but your not a level 60 Crafter or Gatherer xD

[RiceisNice]

Look to the left of my post. Clearly showing gathering class then if want check lodestone on the character, clearly both gathering and crafting classes shown as being some substantially leveled and others in the process of leveling.

Right, so you're a gatherer and crafter just as much as I am a main for all DoW and DoM classes. If I am to take this at face value, none of your crafts are at level 56 to even do blue scrips, let alone red scrips. Most of us have both leveled at capps and are frustrated at how the red scrips tokens (that is, spending the red scrips itself) for gathering, and it's interaction with crafting (the favors). Actually none of your gatherers are level 60 either so I don't think you can even reach collectibility for red scrips reliable or favor nodes.

[tgoodner]

Look to the left of my post. Clearly showing gathering class then if want check lodestone on the character, clearly both gathering and crafting classes shown as being some substantially leveled and others in the process of leveling.

Substantially leveled? Wouldn't that mean that everything is at 60?

@Snugglebutt: I'm sure that you mean well, but I don't know if a person can have a clear perspective on the difficulty of the end-game crafting/gathering situation without having multiple classes at max level. Besides, you can't even unlock red scrips until you are at level 60. If you don't believe that I bring something to the table for this, please check my lodestone. All of my crafters/gatherers are completely and substantially leveled.

The issue with red scrips is that people have to spend a weekly capped currency on a chance that they might obtain tokens to exchange for mats. I don't feel good about having a chance to get some of the 20 toekns needed to start a single craft. It's not worth my time.

[Joronas]

4 crafters at 60, 4 at 55+ on the way to 60, 2 gatherers at 60 ....

Every time people say "have faith" or "give it a little longer" I keep finding my limited supply of faith depleted further. By which I mean: this isn't even remotely close to a fix on the problems afflicting crafting and gathering, and it's the only thing they have mentioned. I haven't even seen a whisper of acknowledgement that a substantial number of people hate this system.

Anyone else beginning to believe that SE is not going to do anything else to fix this misery? Because I'm not even sure they're going to acknowledge it exists anymore.

[NaliaBrown]

Fishers needed the increased red scrips for turn-ins. I don't have miner or botanist and I haven't been able to cap my red scrips once. I haven't even gotten 450 total red scrips yet because I also try to cap my esoteric tomes every week, and get all my drops from Alexander. I'm also trying to beat Ravana EX. I don't always have a chance to fish during the Tiny Axolotl window, and the weather isn't always right for Thunderbolt eels in the wee hours of the morning in the Dravanian Forelands. Just yesterday I got my first Folklore book so I can finally catch a Loosetongue.

So this change does help some people. It helps fishers.

[Snugglebutt]

Oh and half your crafters are at level 50, with none above 51 at the time of your post.

I have had 2 crafts at level 51 for days now, way before posted in here. My response to scarebearz was pointing out a correction when she said I had no crafters or gatherers and now likewise same in response to you when you quoted my comment to scarebearz and got it wrong too so I am correcting you on your comment now also.

Substantially leveled? Wouldn't that mean that everything is at 60?

Substantially means close to 60 in my opinion else I would of said level capped if already 60.

[Lorglath]

Snugglebutt,

You've been trying to pass yourself off as a serious crafter/gatherer for a while now so that you can claim your opinion has more weight alone than the dozens of other people complaining. I'm glad to see you're no longer claiming a second alt character that has level 60 crafts.

Add your opinion fine, but I continually see you trying to disregard everyone else as whining when you have no real stake in the crafting/gathering mechanics that are being discussed.

[Snugglebutt]

Snugglebutt,

You've been trying to pass yourself off as a serious crafter/gatherer for a while now so that you can claim your opinion has more weight alone than the dozens of other people complaining. I'm glad to see you're no longer claiming a second alt character that has level 60 crafts.

I have never claimed what I have bolded in your comment. Not once.

[Magistrella]

Add your opinion fine, but I continually see you trying to disregard everyone else as whining when you have no real stake in the crafting/gathering mechanics that are being discussed.

Seconded

you havent even made it through the grind necessary for each class from 57 to 60 where leves get useless and you need shitloads of materials for it.

Get over it or get out - if you haven't capped red scrip two weeks a row now and still find this system "fun" - because that's what a game should be, fun - then you can start saying again that "this system is fine" or "needs to be balanced right"

What this system needs is a completely abandonment - not a single crafter or gatherer with a RL job and in their right state of mind does want this system how it is at the moment. And no, that 50% does NOT help at all