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[Nel_Celestine]

There are a lot of changes I do like Murugan. Just not all of them. I like the AA feature, just needs to be tweeked a bit to balance things out. Dungeons are the same way. The developers want feedback and ideas and debating our points (both sides) and let them choose what they think is best. I may not always agree (like the armory change) but in the end if it was the other way around others would fight just as passionately for something they love but I would at least give them the respect for their choices.

I said I'm sad about the uniqueness being lost because a lot of the original ideas are being replaced with "industry standard". There is nothing /wrong/ with tried and true methods. There is however, when new ideas that can be great if they are implanted properly and fine tuned to fit game play. If they don't work the first time, stepping back and looking how to fix the system would be better then just scrapping the whole thing to once again go back to "industry standard". When innovation is welcomed and well received it becomes the new "standard" but we can't have that without trying new things.

But, as you've now said, you've blocked me. So, posting this to you is moot. I just hope others will read this and understand the other side of the fence.

[Murugan]

There are a lot of changes I do like Murugan. Just not all of them. I like the AA feature, just needs to be tweeked a bit to balance things out. Dungeons are the same way. The developers want feedback and ideas and debating our points (both sides) and let them choose what they think is best. I may not always agree (like the armory change) but in the end if it was the other way around others would fight just as passionately for something they love but I would at least give them the respect for their choices.

I said I'm sad about the uniqueness being lost because a lot of the original ideas are being replaced with "industry standard". There is nothing /wrong/ with tried and true methods. There is however, when new ideas that can be great if they are implanted properly and fine tuned to fit game play. If they don't work the first time, stepping back and looking how to fix the system would be better then just scrapping the whole thing to once again go back to "industry standard". When innovation is welcomed and well received it becomes the new "standard" but we can't have that without trying new things.

But, as you've now said, you've blocked me. So, posting this to you is moot. I just hope others will read this and understand the other side of the fence.

It's not about liking all of the changes, this is a discussion forum it is there to discuss things like that. I take issue with your incessant and rudely dismissive attacks on anyone who enjoyed XI as trying to "hijack the game" and make it into FFXI-2, while you do the same thing with features from other MMO's you hold up.

I like grind parties with XP chains, I like skill chains, I like large scale end game, I think there were a lot of things from XI that were great. I want FFXIV to build upon those ideals because they are representative of the type of MMO I enjoy as opposed to your modern MMO which I feel discourages things like cooperative play and complexity in favor of simplicity and anti-socials.

FFXIV's linking system based on party strength sounds like something which is both innovative and builds upon something I like. I think the Armory system is innovative and builds upon the sub job system from FFXI, however I think it's implementation has caused big problems with balance and has led to lackluster ability/class diversity as a result, so I look forward to seeing how they are going to change this.

I may not like it, but because they haven't actually said what they are changing I'm willing to wait and see. I like the aims of the job system though because I think this game could use more specialized roles in parties and that this would only enhance gameplay. But again I'll have to see how they implement before I can actually judge it.

[Nel_Celestine]

I played XI for 8 years, the only other MMOs i've played have been DAoC and RO. I like grind parties too (that's ALL RO was) , I haven't even commented on any topic regarding linking or grind parties. The linking system sounds good as well. After it's implemented we'll see what tweeks needed there. After all, would be silly if say something links from well out of eye-sight no? The only place I'm really complaining at all about the system changes going to be made are in the Rank / gear topic and the MRD auto-attack / damage boost topic. I think you may have me confused with someone else Murugan. If not then I apologize if you took any of my posts there offensively but I was trying to put my passion for the subject to words and feeling to text does not always translate well.

[Murugan]

I played XI for 8 years, the only other MMOs i've played have been DAoC and RO. I like grind parties too (that's ALL RO was) , I haven't even commented on any topic regarding linking or grind parties. The linking system sounds good as well. After it's implemented we'll see what tweeks needed there. After all, would be silly if say something links from well out of eye-sight no? The only place I'm really complaining at all about the system changes going to be made are in the Rank / gear topic and the MRD auto-attack / damage boost topic. I think you may have me confused with someone else Murugan. If not then I apologize if you took any of my posts there offensively but I was trying to put my passion for the subject to words and feeling to text does not always translate well.

I confused you with Chain lynks (I think?) the person from Gyshal with your identical signature. I apologize for the confusion, that person constantly harps on those topics with the insults to FFXI players.

[Coldfire]

I'd say devs should get the bugs out of the game (or what the community considers bugs) and we can afterwards compare this game to others. 'Cause then (in like 2 years at this rate :S) there will be completely different games out there.
And yes the community is... well I wouldn't call it bad... more like angry. Lots of the mad users just don't want or can't keep it on a professional level. If you can't log in or your game crashes every time you're halfway in a leve you get angry and want to complain. That's human nature.
I really don't mind that kind of user. Imho the real problem is the guys that blandish the issues those people have or even make fun of them. I consider them spam and love it when mods remove their posts. But sometimes the mods go way too far and delete whole threads (not only marked as deleted but also completely removed sometimes). Don't like that... this ain't China
tl;dr
- complaints about game okay
- complaining about complaints not okay and a waste of everyone's time

[Nel_Celestine]

Murugan, well then seems like we started off on the wrong foot. It's nice to meet another like minded and passionate individual in this forum. ~offers handshake~

[TonyMontana]

Funny thing is so many people complain about this forums community and the people complaining are as much a part of the problem as anyone else is.

[Chocobits]

Personally I love the community. All of them. The trolls. The thread tag vandals. The reminiscers. The "wtf I hate the new changes I'm quitting" ragers. The "it's sad SE is removing everything unique from this game" lamers. You all are a great bunch of people and I feel like a better person for knowing you all. By comparison.

Grouphug!

[Etienn]

Up until now I've thought of the Forum community as slightly rude. Then i took a step back and realized that most of the threads weren't all that bad. I don't think that the forum is populated by angry jerks, Just that most of us have a bad day and get slightly confrontational.
To all the people who have a bad view of the forums. If you take a step back and rethink your view on the forum community, does it look more inviting?

Is this a troll post, nice community, please, most threads here are regurgitated trash, QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ going on for a millenia.. yeah great community.

[whoopeeragon]

Is this a troll post, nice community, please, most threads here are regurgitated trash, QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ going on for a millenia.. yeah great community.

Don't be so bitter. Look past the topic names; go to a few posts that actually provide constructive comments and feedback and those friendly users who don't lash at at the silliest things. Look at those with the patience to deal with trolls, white-knights or whatever derogatory terms the community has brought up with those members who are in disagreement. Underneath the pile of s*it heaped up on top, we have a few flowers growing underneath. It's what makes these forums a bit more bearable.

I admit; I've done my share of raging at people, and sometimes I regret it. But when people deliberately insult me for no reason save because I disagreed with them or they took my words in twisted in into something else, I'll get mad and insult them with vigour and sophistication worthy of a politician. So it's impossible to stop the rages of flames that can go on in such a large community. But overall, I don't find it a displeasure to lurk around the forums and provide my opinions at times.

It's true that the game community is much fairer and polite, but we can't shaft the forum community away because of it. We have the game's equivalent of a blacklist; we can use it. Sooner or later, those members who repeatedly dog the threads and boards will find themselves ignored, getting raged at in an appropriate manner, and potentially give up altogether. For now, lets enjoy what it has to offer us.