Something need to be done about BAD DPS.

[Mikhaill]

There's loads more MMOs out there with parsers and they handle it fine. Everything doesn't always have to go down the route WoW did with it's community.

Personal Parsers are fine.
Everyone can see, is not.
This community has a hard time being nice, and sometimes a cesspool.
Hell a lot of people here came from WoW lol.

[LunaHoshino]

I main DPS and I am 100% in favor of a parser. If a tank or healer is doing their job poorly, they'll get called out on it-- it shouldn't be any different for DPS. We should be held to the same standards of performance as the other classes.

[Laerad3993]

I'm kind of split on this. A part of me really likes to help out people new to content, especially the Extreme Primals, so I tend to be really forgiving.

But then I have a part of me that tends to get fed up after the same wipe cause after like 10 tries, and it's usually ONE person doing it over and over. I'd totally be up for people getting personal parsers, though, I don't think a lot of people are going to try/care, even having one to see how poorly they're doing. I know a few people on my server that just like to grief, and are extremely good about how they execute it, so I just avoid those parties.

Duty Finder is a whole other story, and I don't see a need or reason for giving someone a chiding, or vice versa being given one myself.

[Natashio]

So..when did this game become so competitive. I thought they eliminated the competitiveness of old school mmos by making all things instance, taking out high level gear from open world notorious monsters and such. It's been said a million times over, don't want to deal with "bad players" don't use Duty finder. Don't want bad players in your Party Finder, don't allow randoms you don't know. Simple as that or suck it up.

Honestly, I still don't see the logic of a parse program helping someone get better.

[Galgarion]

So..when did this game become so competitive. I thought they eliminated the competitiveness of old school mmos by making all things instance, taking out high level gear from open world notorious monsters and such. It's been said a million times over, don't want to deal with "bad players" don't use Duty finder. Don't want bad players in your Party Finder, don't allow randoms you don't know. Simple as that or suck it up.

Honestly, I still don't see the logic of a parse program helping someone get better.

Parsers don't necessarily help bad players get better: What parsers actually do, is make it easy for better players to divest themselves of bad players.

This itself isn't a bad thing. There is plenty of casual content in this game that is accessible for everyone, and when that's no longer enough to meet their interests, that's when they should be encouraged to step up their skills and go for the harder stuff.

The real problems stem chiefly from the belief that being a good player = being a smart human being. It's not true. Many skillful players are also selfish idiots who set up groups for trivial content with stringent requirements that casuals can't meet. It's because of them that we can't have nice things.

[raelgun]

Personal Parsers are fine.
Everyone can see, is not.
This community has a hard time being nice, and sometimes a cesspool.
Hell a lot of people here came from WoW lol.

Most of the playerbase playing FF14 are from FF11, not much from WoW, dunno why people are blaming people who make up a tiny amount from Wow considering where most people came from.

[LunaHoshino]

Honestly, I still don't see the logic of a parse program helping someone get better.

I have personally seen them help multiple people, actually. Just as an example: I was doing Odin with some friends, one of whom was also a DRG with almost the exact same gear that I had. After the fight, a friend was looking at the parse they had done and remarked that I was out-DPSing the other DRG by a bit over 100, which shouldn't be happening in a fight like Odin where there are no real mechanics to deal with. I offered to look at their rotation to see what was going on, and sure enough, there were some things they were doing wrong. Once that was corrected, their parses were about the same as mine.

A parser can be the first indication that someone is doing something wrong. Once you know that, you can work on fixing it.

[RyuujinZERO]

"But this is like, just your opinion man. Stop taking it so seriously it's just a game!"

I kid... this is exactly why I stopped being a healer and became full time DPS. I was sick of people flailing helplessly at the enemy's praying that they died and decided if I was ever going to be in a party with reliable DPS, I'd have to be that DPS...

...Also my tanks kept freaking out when I'd sit in cleric stance most the time and just toss them the occasional lustrate... pussies.

[Sapphic]

Parsers don't necessarily help bad players get better: What parsers actually do, is make it easy for better players to divest themselves of bad players.

No.

It is, like any other tool used for stratagizing, and analyzing. Lets takea scenario. 4000 DPS is needed from the 4 DPS to beat the enrage timer, 3 of them are doing the required 1000 DPS each. the fourth is only pulling 950. The difference is too small to see from just watching. How would you be able to see where the problem is exactly without numerical feedback that a parser gives? You wouldnt unless you spent hours calculating from the battle log which wouldn't give ou the ful picture anyways due to the battle log not listing DoTs.

Parsers point out that. Refining rotations, they are also the cause of certain jobs getting buffed because players where able to anaylze the results and see that BLM and DRG and SMN where underperforming in comparison to the other DPS jobs which was why they ended up getting buffs to bring them upto speed. Without those players reporting feedback after testing with a parser, those changes probably would never have happened.

Also, from experience. Those "Elite players" who set really high entry requirements for content usually are bad players looking for over geared skilled players to carry them through content. Also, if there isn't a PF party that fits your requirements, whats stopping you from creating your own with your own set requirements?

Also you are very naive if you think people don't kick underperforming players from parties even without parsers, only difference if they added parsers is the DPS being kicked would know exactly why instead of the party not being able to tell them due to the ToS and parsers/3rd party programs. Players who join parties and have had no feedback on their performance and thius get blizzard spamming BLMS, MNKs who can't maintain GL1, never mind 3, DRGs with terrible rotations etc. Two things happen tto them, 1: they get carried so they leave with the impresison they are doing everything fine. or 2: they get removed from the party with no understanding why because of the above reasons. If a MNK goes into a DF and gets paired with another MNK and an official parser shows that they are doing 300 DPS and the other MNK is doing 900 DPS. Don't you think then they will realise, they are doing something wrong?

When I switched to MNK, I read up some guides, practiced and starting doing content in DF to get some hands on dungeon experience. Thought I was doing fine until I got paired with a kick ass MNK, who, from the parser results, kicked my ass XD So I took that to heart, practiced on the dummies more, refined my rotation and when to optimise use of OGCD skills and pushed my self harder until the next time I was paired with a great MNK in DF. I held my own at worst, or often, matched them. (Gear difference allowing of course ^_^ ).

[Terribad]

Personal Parsers are fine.
Everyone can see, is not.
This community has a hard time being nice, and sometimes a cesspool.
Hell a lot of people here came from WoW lol.

And a lot of the people that came here from WoW gripes about WoW's community.
I honestly don't think this community has a hard time being nice, it's just a lot of babies here that use words they heard from some place else. Average players want to clear stuff and they get called elitist.
Handing out tips makes you elitist here.